OKLAHOMA STATE TROOPER LOSES SUIT AGAINST GLOCK

ChrisC said:
How many of you go out and train for your jobs on your own dime?
I do so I'm in that small percentage. I'm also not a D class uspsa shooter. But roles reversed you average d class shooter would probably barely be getting by on the uniformed qualifier. Although it is really easy.
I wouldn't hold it against a cop for running a wheelie... no phase 1's, 2's, or 3's malfunctions like in a semi. The triggers are better than the NY trigger in a glock and they are more accurate.
What are the qualification requirements for law enforcement in Oklahoma. (You usually beat me with your revolver at USPSA matches. I'm not throwing rocks.)

I'm also not a D class shooter.
 
I know a few LE's. Some know their gear and some don't, that's a fact.

Bottom line folks must be accountable for their actions. You don't know how/what will happen when you do x action. Well tough elephant dung that's on you.
 
ChrisC said:
How many of you go out and train for your jobs on your own dime?
College, vo-tech, etc. Any post-secondary schooling for monetary gain. Plenty of people rack up a huge debt in the form of a student loan in order to make $30K-$40K per year in Oklahoma. Not sure what cops make, but I thought starting for OCPD was around $43K. TDSA ACP1 is almost free compared to a student loan.
 
That's not exactly the comparison I was looking for but I have a masters degree to do the same.

But no matter where you work you can look around you and see people that strive for mediocrity ..law enforcement is no different.
 
I guess what I meant to say earlier is I wouldn't want a bunch of trigger happy officers out there, honestly trained or otherwise. Using your weapon should be last resort to protect your life or someone else's, much like it is for everybody else. Pulling your gun after you get into a fender bender that was your fault because you felt threatened when its obvious there's no way the guy could get to you because his vehicle is blocking is approach and you simultaneously pull your gun as you somewhat incoherently mumble you're a police officer but you don't arguably raise it above the window and you don't get in any kind of trouble where as an average citizen would be charged with multiple crimes and probably be sent to anger management is complete bullshit.

There I feel better. Sorry for the run-on sentence.
 
I used to think cops with wheelies were behind the times relics; untill I saw how much more accurate some folks were with one (and how inaccurate some were with autos).

dont dis revolvers for cops, they just might know how to shoot em!
 
mike cyrwus said:
I used to think cops with wheelies were behind the times relics; untill I saw how much more accurate some folks were with one (and how inaccurate some were with autos).

dont dis revolvers for cops, they just might know how to shoot em!
I was the same way. My dad carried a Trooper Mark III when he worked security. I gave him grief for being antiquated, then I came to realize he could out shoot most anyone in the building that carried an auto. He could shoot an auto pretty well, but he's just old school.

I've come to see he isn't old school.....that's just how he rolls.
 
Wormydog1724 said:
I guess what I meant to say earlier is I wouldn't want a bunch of trigger happy officers out there, honestly trained or otherwise. Using your weapon should be last resort to protect your life or someone else's, much like it is for everybody else. Pulling your gun after you get into a fender bender that was your fault because you felt threatened when its obvious there's no way the guy could get to you because his vehicle is blocking is approach and you simultaneously pull your gun as you somewhat incoherently mumble you're a police officer but you don't arguably raise it above the window and you don't get in any kind of trouble where as an average citizen would be charged with multiple crimes and probably be sent to anger management is complete bullshit.

There I feel better. Sorry for the run-on sentence.
I totally agree!
 
brandt9913 said:
What are the qualification requirements for law enforcement in Oklahoma. (You usually beat me with your revolver at USPSA matches. I'm not throwing rocks.)

I'm also not a D class shooter.
well back when I started (jesus that makes me sound old) you had to score a whopping 70% on a 220 round course of fire that went from the 1 foot line back to the 50 yard line..

then came the "no cop left behind" course of fire 72% is passing (that's 18 shots in the scoring ring out of 25). http://www.ok.gov/cleet/documents/FirearmsQualificationJune2007.pdf

I am a CLEET instructor meaning i had to shoot at least a 540 on a PPC match 5 and complete a lot more with a high degree of proficiency (auto loading pistol, pump shot gun, patrol rifle, long range rifle)

sadly there are those that struggle with the course of fire in the link above... there are plenty of "uspsa" shooters that can't shoot at 25 yards... and there are plenty of cops that can't either :O
 
ChrisC said:
well back when I started (jesus that makes me sound old) you had to score a whopping 70% on a 220 round course of fire that went from the 1 foot line back to the 50 yard line..

then came the "no cop left behind" course of fire 72% is passing (that's 18 shots in the scoring ring out of 25). http://www.ok.gov/cleet/documents/FirearmsQualificationJune2007.pdf

I am a CLEET instructor meaning i had to shoot at least a 540 on a PPC match 5 and complete a lot more with a high degree of proficiency (auto loading pistol, pump shot gun, patrol rifle, long range rifle)

sadly there are those that struggle with the course of fire in the link above... there are plenty of "uspsa" shooters that can't shoot at 25 yards... and there are plenty of cops that can't either :O
I agree completely. Some shooters gets stuck in one dicipline of shooting and becomes proficient at that, never to try another.
 
ChrisC said:
what's this thread about anyway?

how all cops can't shoot and they should have 300 hours of training and be an expert before they can have guns.. or a great example of how people love to stereotype...
 
ChrisC said:
well back when I started (jesus that makes me sound old) you had to score a whopping 70% on a 220 round course of fire that went from the 1 foot line back to the 50 yard line..

then came the "no cop left behind" course of fire 72% is passing (that's 18 shots in the scoring ring out of 25). http://www.ok.gov/cleet/documents/FirearmsQualificationJune2007.pdf

I am a CLEET instructor meaning i had to shoot at least a 540 on a PPC match 5 and complete a lot more with a high degree of proficiency (auto loading pistol, pump shot gun, patrol rifle, long range rifle)

sadly there are those that struggle with the course of fire in the link above... there are plenty of "uspsa" shooters that can't shoot at 25 yards... and there are plenty of cops that can't either :O
I was just curious. Thank you for posting the info and the link.
 
So when I go to the 100yrd steel just for giggles and most of the rounds ring home.......what does that mean?
 
Any time.... anyway the old course was 20 rounds not 220


I like ringing steel at 100+...it makes you cool :)
 
I know myself and some other officers shoot local matches and score very well. When I was a deputy, scoring 100% at Q time was a walk in the park. Starting at the 25 yard line and working our way up to the 1 yard line. Now that I'm Federal LEO we start at the 3 yard line and work back to the 25 yard line. Again, scoring a 100% is normal for me. If I don't score a 100% something went terribly wrong and I'm sure a small puppy somewhere burst into flames.

On the other side. I have been to matches with fellow officers and officers from other agencies and I'm amazed they can even hit the broadside of a barn.

I started shooting matches after I got into LE work. I watched some professional shooters and saw how fast and accurate they were. I wanted to get better in case I ever had to get in a gun fight, I would be better prepared than the other guy shooting at me. I thought to myself "Why don't I practice like those guys? If it works for them, why can't it work for me?" When it came time to qualify with the agency I would be the only one on the line not using a Weaver stance and I would get some weird looks from the other deputies. When it came time to score and I was shooting 100's and they weren't, they would ask me how I do it.
 
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