OKLAHOMA STATE TROOPER LOSES SUIT AGAINST GLOCK

So let me just ask ya all a question then, would you give a local police force fully automatic M16 rifles with no training or ammo to practice?
I know a place that did just that. Last week .
The problem is its just not one bad cop.
Chris how many hi speed law enforcement trainers have shot themselves or had questionable ADs at the Ada CLEET center? How many hi-speed operators have shot another officer in a stacked postition ready to do a entry? Why are these clowns still even cops?
Unsafe is unsafe period.
 
Carl,
I agree that there are those with pretty piss poor skills, but is lumping them all together fair?
 
When you hand 30 fully automatic m16s to the rank and file PD yes i'm lumping them all together. Im not taking about semi auto fire handguns that over the years we have lowered the standards of qualification down so low most cops can't hit the berm with their patrol car. I had the rifle in my hand. Its a post vietnam M16 not select fire but the real deal. The SGT. was looking for instuction and ammo.
My deal is why ? Do you guys have a use of force policy? I know when I was in law enforcement you had to qualify to carry.
 
There some good 'cops'. There are some dumb 'cops'. There are some 'cops' that are there collecting their paycheck and doing their job. Nowhere on the application does it have question "gun enthusiast? Check yes or no". I'd say most cops are 'cops' because their dads were cops, or they've wanted to be cop their whole lives. Becoming a cop does not automatically make a person into a badass gun handler. Proper training does. I'd venture to say most cops don't get ENOUGH proper training. But do we want a bunch of highly trained gun freaks on the streets? Lol. My answer is a simple no.

I've done several ride-a-longs with several different agencies, both local and state. When I asked a highway patrol what the ar was behind his seat he said '.223'. I asked the brand they were issued and he simply mumbled 'colt, I think'. When I asked if it was a 6920 he promptly changed the subject. When riding with an okc police officer and we got on the subject of guns, he was kind of a gun guy, kinda. He had no idea 'civilians' could own suppressors, SBR's and other nfa items. I explained the process to him, I mean we were in the car together for 12 hours so I had ample time, but I could tell he still didn't quite get it, probably didn't even believe me. Hopefully he researched it himself later and became a more knowledgable officer for it. But my point is, I guess, there's much more to being a cop than just carrying a gun. Welfare checks and domestic abuse calls were my least favorite part of it all, and probably the deciding factor on me not perusing that anymore, which is what we did 80% of the time. The other 20% was hobo hunting, kind of disturbing and another reason I didn't like it.
 
Call me crazy but I'd like every cop on the street to be highly trained and qualified on EVERY weapon they carry. Here's the deal YOU are RESPONSIBLE for every round that you shoot!! That means the State or local cop shop is footing the bill for all mistakes!! IE the tax payer Me!!! I!!! we!!!
 
Does anybody know how he actually injured himself doing this drill?

I demonstrate how Glocks won't fire out of battery all the time, followed by the correct reaction which is to press the slide into battery from behind with the support hand.

I guess it would be faster to subsequently rack the slide if you tried to put it into battery by grasping the sides of the slide, but you should at least have your thumb behind the slide since if someone has pressed the gun out of battery they're probably on top of you and you'll want/need as much force as possible to push the slide back into battery. Not to mention that you don't want to give the slide a running start on you!

I can imagine that if he hadn't latched his thumb tightly behind the slide it could either get a running start and bruise or scrape him. (Of course if it was ported that could lead to messy burns if he was holding the front of the slide, but that would mean the drill was being taught incompetently. Besides, do any LE agencies use ported Glocks?)
 
Carl, very few departments spend adequate money and time on training. This includes most swat teams in the state.

I have spent a lot of money and time learning how to handle and operate my sidearm, shotgun, and rifle. I do not spend enough time training with these weapons and I spend a lot more time than your average police officer. With very few exceptions I get nervous when someone is behind me with a gun.
 
Chris,,I understand about training and funding. I showed our young Sgt how to operate his new weapon and gave him some ammo for it all for no charge.
 
This just falls back to the old saying "elephant dung happens" well suck it up buttercup ya can't sue someone cause you hit your thumb with a hammer! yea I know it was a Glock that caused this dude the pain but I bet he either doesn't do this again or gets it right. The world is so sue happy these days, elephant dung does happen! even to the best of us BUT you can't blame someone else for your mistake, ok maybe if your a liberal it's ok or a dem I'm pretty sure it's ok to blame everything but the real cause. Later,

Kirk
 
Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:
This just falls back to the old saying "elephant dung happens" well suck it up buttercup ya can't sue someone cause you hit your thumb with a hammer! yea I know it was a Glock that caused this dude the pain but I bet he either doesn't do this again or gets it right. The world is so sue happy these days, elephant dung does happen! even to the best of us BUT you can't blame someone else for your mistake, ok maybe if your a liberal it's ok or a dem I'm pretty sure it's ok to blame everything but the real cause. Later,

Kirk
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It is Personal Responsibility! I heard it a hundred different ways growing up.
If you are the one that pulls the trigger, you are responsible for the bullet coming out of the gun.
Don't point that gun at anything you don't want to kill.
If you say you'll do something, you damn well better get it done.
You take responsibility for your own actions.
It is Personal Responsibility!
 
Many smaller departments don't have the money for a lot of training. They have to make do with the minimum level of training accepted by the state. You can't blame the officers for a lack of training when they don't get the opportunity to do it. I was a LEO in a smaller department and we didn't get the training that larger departments got. Our department did everything they could to get any additional training possible, often making deals with larger departments to let us join in with theirs. Getting to do the FATS (firearms training simulator) was one of the coolest. Although today's technology makes it much cooler. Other than that we did most of our firearms training on our own. Try not to judge the officer for things that are out of his or her hands, they are try to make the best of what they have. Not to mention going to work for a department that requires you to purchase your own gun, does not issue body armor and provides you with old equipment that may or may not function takes a lot of dedication to do the job and especially when all it takes is one dipstick screwing up to label the entire department as incompetent.
 
Bullshit they dont have to "make do" with they get. Dont get the opportunity to get training? They work 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
Or is it that they dont get more "paid" training?
I dont know a cop that doesnt shoot excessively more rounds; training, shooting, etc, on their own time. I will say that for many cops, that gun is just something that goes on your belt in front of your cuff case.
So that doesnt hold water.
 
Just because you can get OJT doesn't mean that it's your only resource for training. If I depended upon having a gun at my side for a career, I'd have started on the path that I'm on now much sooner, and would be more serious about it. I wonder how many LEOs have spent their own time and money learning the way of the gun, but I assume it's a dreadfully small percentage.
 
I've read that a D class shooter in USPSA can outshoot 90% of Leo`s across the country. Don't hold this as fact, its what I've read.
I was in NYC last year, and observed a cop with a mod10 S&W roundbutt revo.
WTF?
 
How many of you go out and train for your jobs on your own dime?

I do so I'm in that small percentage. I'm also not a D class uspsa shooter. But roles reversed you average d class shooter would probably barely be getting by on the uniformed qualifier. Although it is really easy.

I wouldn't hold it against a cop for running a wheelie... no phase 1's, 2's, or 3's malfunctions like in a semi. The triggers are better than the NY trigger in a glock and they are more accurate.
 
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