Oklahoma Point Series?

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So up here in Wisconsin, they do a point series each shooting season. It consists of 4-5 matches over the course of the season with each one being held at a different club within the state. Basically, each month a specific club match becomes part of the point series and the month after it's at another club. This encourages cross-participation between clubs and also makes for a fun competition over the course of the season.

What would you guys think about Oklahoma doing something similar? I should be back there by next season and just thought I'd throw this idea out to get some opinions.
 
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That would be nice if people would get on board and actually head it up.


I would help as much as I could but shooting isn't my life. Its more of a hobby for me. I'd like to get more involved but time is the biggest issue.
 
I think it would be cool. It would be nice to have the OK section coordinator heading something like this up. I am seriously thinking about running for that position next year. Until then we will have to hit Kelly Raglin up on it. Guess anybody could organize and publish the data right here in BoomerShooter (BS for short). I might email the clubs and ask about participation for 2011. I would just need monthly match results to put in a spreadsheet by uspsa number. Might actually help promote more shooting. Then we would have the regular season champions and we could have the section championship match champ as well. Just like how the big 12 has a regular season and tournament champion.

What do the top finishers get in WI?
 
I would be interested in soliciting manufacturers for sponsorship for an Oklahoma multi-gun series with a shootoff at the end of the year. Just like 3gunnation, but not change the rules all the time to get certain people in, and none of your dad's can be match director! So not like 3gunnation at all, but even better..
 
The point system would be really cool - classes wouldnt matter becuase you can give so many points for 1st 2nd 3rd etc etc

So say a 1st place gets 5 points - in a match you will award 6 first place finishes

GM-1st = 5 points
M-1st = 5 points
A-1st = 5 points
B-1st = 5 points
C-1st = 5 points
D-1st = 5 points

This way at the end of the year you have ONE overall winner.
 
As a section , we have more pressing issues, like having a sectional and more club to club communication.
 
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I think it would be cool. It would be nice to have the OK section coordinator heading something like this up. I am seriously thinking about running for that position next year. Until then we will have to hit Kelly Raglin up on it. Guess anybody could organize and publish the data right here in BoomerShooter (BS for short). I might email the clubs and ask about participation for 2011. I would just need monthly match results to put in a spreadsheet by uspsa number. Might actually help promote more shooting. Then we would have the regular season champions and we could have the section championship match champ as well. Just like how the big 12 has a regular season and tournament champion.

What do the top finishers get in WI?
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Yeah, I'm sure Kelly would be fine with it if somebody wanted to organize it. If I remember correctly, the have a pistol for each winner at the end of the season, but their series is all heads-up. If you think about it, there aren't enough active shooters in each division that are actually going to make 4-5 matches all over the state to make every division intensely competitive. You would still have A-C class shooters winning the point series in some of the divisions. They also use point series finishes to assign slots for nationals.

I agree with Mike that we have more pressing issues right now, but I think this could help promote club to club communication at some point. I do think a sectional match is much more important though.
 
But let's face it, we will not have a sectional this year. Also, I think a point series would help club to club communications and would be more important then a sectional. Head to head in your respective classes and then man on man at the end of the year. Simple idea, you want to win, get better!
 
There is a class system for a reason. Head to head between a C-class shooter and Kurt Miller would be an absolute joke. If you are going to get shooters involved and not alienate the lower-classed shooters, then a class system must be used.
 
That is why I said you get points according to your class and then a shootoff at the end, man on man, regardless of class. I have gained first hand knowledge of the man on man and how it works. Anything can happen in a shootoff. Rob Romero beat Kurt miller in the FNH shootoff in MO, not because he is a better overall shooter...... just trying to find a way to get the sandbagger to not walk away with it. As much fun as we make about sandbagging, you put a point series by class and you are going to see the worst in folks, trust me.....
 
You could do a few things to keep sandbagging away.

First would be to take the shooters HIGHEST USPSA Classification - so if you are an "A" shooter in limited - you can't shoot your "C" class open just to get in - you can SHOOT open but you will still be classified "A" since that is your highest classification.

Another thing to do is to give points based on you finish each stage - and to DOUBLE the classifier stages - that way you cant intentionally sand bag these or you will lose out on double points.

Just a few ideas
 
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That is why I said you get points according to your class and then a shootoff at the end, man on man, regardless of class. I have gained first hand knowledge of the man on man and how it works. Anything can happen in a shootoff. Rob Romero beat Kurt miller in the FNH shootoff in MO, not because he is a better overall shooter...... just trying to find a way to get the sandbagger to not walk away with it. As much fun as we make about sandbagging, you put a point series by class and you are going to see the worst in folks, trust me.....
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I guess it really depends on how the prize system is setup. I wouldn't really go out of my way to participate or pay to participate in an award system based on my man on man performance. If the prize system was based on class finish, then I would be. This is one of the things that is great about Phil's Pro-Am. Prizes are awarded based on finish in class.

Seeing a bunch of guys that shoot the higher level/bigger matches beat up on the locals isn't impressive to me, it's expected. In the end, we want to promote our sport and hobby to EVERYONE. Setting up a system where only the highest level shooters are rewarded is counter-productive to the purpose of our sport in my opinion.

As far as sandbagging goes, it is CHEATING! We all know someone that sandbags. Some even brag about it. Perhaps it is time for us to make them accountable for it. I consider it to be unsportsmanlike conduct and maybe they should not be allowed to participate further. I don't know the rule book as well as I should, but I suspect there is some type of rule that could be used to stop this behavior.

Just my .02
 
I agree with you Mitch. There is No way i would be able to compete with any of you guys head to head.
 
As far as sandbagging goes the current USPSA classification system tends to lag a hard working shooter's performance at local matches. Think how long it takes to flush out the lower scores if someone only shoots a match or two a month. Now realize how much improvement can be seen over that time frame if someone really puts the spurs to it in practice/dryfire.

As far as a points series I guess I'm not seeing the real benefit right now. As it sits we need more club communication and an effort made to start clubs who could hold matches but aren't affiliated. The problem here is there is a ton of work that goes into spearheading a club's USPSA matches and I'm afraid if we overwork these people as it sits we will have more harm done than good.
 
I am not 100% sure I know anyone that intentionally throws classifiers. I think a lot of us joke about it, but in reality, most of us shoot field courses better then we do standing in a stupid box shooting this, reload, shoot that.... I wonder how the biggest multigun matches do it without a classification system? It is because everyone is trying to win the match, not just their class.

Anyway, I don't think the point series needs to be done by the people running the match. In-fact, it would be better if it was exclusive. I also don't think there needs to be a fee for it. Maybe $5 or something and a plaque at the conclusion of the series. Maybe then everyone could opt in or not for a man on man shootoff? I think the last one that was done at okcgc was won by a c class production shooter.......
 
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I would be interested in soliciting manufacturers for sponsorship for an Oklahoma multi-gun series with a shootoff at the end of the year. Just like 3gunnation, but not change the rules all the time to get certain people in, and none of your dad's can be match director! So not like 3gunnation at all, but even better..
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LOL I jsut heard about the slug on steel ordeal and no DQ. Lets do the Multi gun deal for sure! That kind of forces everyone to shoot as many matches as possible. Lets run it for multi gun, carbine, and shotgun matches. We can include USSA too, maybe?

Mike I don't care what Kurt says your alrught.
 
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I think it would be cool. It would be nice to have the OK section coordinator heading something like this up. I am seriously thinking about running for that position next year. Until then we will have to hit Kelly Raglin up on it. Guess anybody could organize and publish the data right here in BoomerShooter (BS for short). I might email the clubs and ask about participation for 2011. I would just need monthly match results to put in a spreadsheet by uspsa number. Might actually help promote more shooting. Then we would have the regular season champions and we could have the section championship match champ as well. Just like how the big 12 has a regular season and tournament champion.

What do the top finishers get in WI?
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Yeah, I'm sure Kelly would be fine with it if somebody wanted to organize it. If I remember correctly, the have a pistol for each winner at the end of the season, but their series is all heads-up. If you think about it, there aren't enough active shooters in each division that are actually going to make 4-5 matches all over the state to make every division intensely competitive. You would still have A-C class shooters winning the point series in some of the divisions. They also use point series finishes to assign slots for nationals.

I agree with Mike that we have more pressing issues right now, but I think this could help promote club to club communication at some point. I do think a sectional match is much more important though.
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If I could win a gun. There that damn scroll bar is jumping up on me and I can;t see what I am typing again. Anyways if I could win again I might shoot just enough L10 to do so.
 
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