Obvious printing.

Placid said:
only thing problematic with OCing is someone walking up behind you and trying to take it, now for most of us, theyd have to be pretty freakin quick or theyd get stabbed or shot with the back up... but still way to much to risk to OC...

That's why when you OC you mitigate risks with one more more of the following measures: avoid crowds, carry in a good holster (with retention), have a partner/friend (my spouse is my backup) who is also armed, carry a second weapon, use a sidearm that has some sort of external safety device (potentially including a much maligned mag drop safety) that may be hard for a thief to manipulate quickly, and/or get good training in hand to hand fighting or weapons retention.

I mean... cops OC, right? And while some cops do get surprised and disarmed it isn't that common, probably because many of them are using the above tactics.
 
Tigerstripe said:
John Canuck said:
Old wives tale. Cite a single case of an OC'er being shot at the outset of an armed robbery because he was on OC'er.

cant do it. its just an old wives tale.

now in tv land i heard that Bonnie and Clyde would unlawfully carry into a bank and kill the guards, well cause they had guns.

That's what I thought and it's typical for the CC only folks, but I do give credit for originality. Kudos to you sir. I'll keep an eye out for Bonnie and Clyde the next time I return to a free state and OC.
 
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armaborealis said:
I just open carried a full size service handgun throughout two other states this week on a road trip

Holy jeepers batman. Are you not aware that by openly and brazenly keeping and bearing arms, you run the risk of being shot first by a shoplifter, disarmed by a purse snatcher, and run the added risk of being harassed by Buford T. Justice for NOT breaking the law. And, I cannot believe you people continue to carelessly saunter around in public with a deadly weapon flopping around on your belt with the obvious (yet undocumented) additional risk of contracting VD. Who needs all that grief. I'll stay herpes free with my gun carefully and thoughtfully tucked into the waistband of my nondescript and non tactical track pants and hidden under a Hawaiian shirt. :D
 
Placid said:
I think robbers are smarter, in general, than you think, scout the place out, someone OCing a gun, ...Hey lets come back some other time!!!! only thing problematic with OCing is someone walking up behind you and trying to take it, now for most of us, theyd have to be pretty freakin quick or theyd get stabbed or shot with the back up... but still way to much to risk to OC... If its concealed, propably makes you more likely to get shot in a robbery, because the guy sees no gun, comes in guns out, you pull yours, now he has got to try to shoot you... I hope all our training makes us better...

However to the original post, the halfway conceal carrying guy at Fiveguys, more power to him but I'd leave...I don't know this guy and I aint gonna ask him if hes legally carrying that gun or not!!! ... and people are crazy :/



-Placid

Please google the internet and find at least 5 cases of this happening to back up your assertion. I contend that it can happen, but is so statistically improbably rare as to unheard of, and worth the benefits of OC.

And as to the who 'who's legal and who isn't'...are you going to stop me and check to make sure the child with me is mine? Perhaps the car I'm getting into was stolen. I could be loading up groceries that I snatched from a little old lady in the parking lot! How do any of us know the person in public next to us is "legal"?
 
Great conversation about open carry. But back to the OP. Concealed means concealed. I have worn some clothes that sometimes print a bit. Not with intent, its only because my wife keeps saying - be careful that I know I am printing :| From the discription in the op it sounds as if the observed, was intending for others to see they were carrying. Thats not cool!

It reminds me of when I was a kid wondering why the cops always stopped me and searched my car. Just because my hair was down my back, and there were peace signs on my bumper, a cardboard cut out of Cheach and Chong in the back seat and forceps hanging from the rear view - That was no reason to stop me and hassle me. :roll:

(to be honest the cut out was Lenny Bruce - Cheach and chong came along a bit later) :lol:
 
Wow people. It was meant to be a simple question about a tacty cool guy heavily printing. Personally, I got a laugh out of his outfit. He wasn't a threat. He was just a law abiding citizen (I guess). But LEO"s also frequent the place and would hate to see him loose his license.

I really don't care what you wear. But at the same time I don't believe you should make it obvious.

This was at the Harbison 5 guys in Columbia.
 
From what some are saying on here, it seems it's inappropriate, or not cool, to let others know you may be armed.

I guess it's not good that I wear these shirts I designed:

http://www.customink.com/designs/scocfmgb/kje0-000k-5gb9/

http://www.zazzle.com/youd_be_open_carrying_without_this_shirt-235312789823899291

I guess it's not good to wear my "shoot me first vest":

http://www.bluestonesafety.com/products/clothing/

Good, cool, and most other adjectives are relative terms. So I guess it doesn't matter what other's think. I just hate to see misinformation spread about.

Anyway,
What if I don't believe that deep concealment is the right way for me to carry?
What if i think the most practical ways to carry concealed in SC are uncomfortable to me?
What if I want people to know I'm armed?
What if I believe that open carrying, or making sure others know that I'm armed, serves as a deterrence?
What if I use ways to let others know I am armed, short of open carrying, since this state only allows carry concealed carry through government permission slips?
Who am is it hurting if I let others know I'm armed?
Who's rights have I violated if people know that I'm armed?
 
since there are 2 topics going on here-

1) I don't tell people I know the are carrying whether its just a small print or an obvious disregard for common sense in relation to SC CWP law. (not an argumentative point, just stating what I do.)

2) I don't want to OC (generally). I personally prefer CC (generally). Why should my preference determine how anyone else carries? I don't want the Carson's determining how I carry, so I shouldn't attempt to tell them how they should carry. If there is a perceived risk, comfort issue, etc. in OC or CC that makes me prefer the other, then that is my choice. Luckily for me, SC thinks my choice is the right one. It could have just as easily went the other way for me.
 
I think you should keep your opinion to yourself, in anything that does not concern you.
especially if the other guy is heavily armed.

folks carrying CC are one of two types:
-crazy ninja bad guys with "tack-tee-too-kewl" stenciled on thier skivvies.
-paranoid crazy guys.

nothing good could come of you discussing his conduct in an open place, esp in front of anyone he would have to "save face in front" of.


to call an armed man stupid....is well, stupid.

you may have been right, but dead men don't gloat well, and, they usually don't get the final word.
 
mcdaniel said:
Why should my preference determine how anyone else carries? I don't want the Carson's determining how I carry, so I shouldn't attempt to tell them how they should carry. If there is a perceived risk, comfort issue, etc. in OC or CC that makes me prefer the other, then that is my choice.

I agree with this, why is why Carsontech and I support permitless (AKA Constitutional) carry. I don't want the government telling me how to carry anymore then you want me to tell you how to carry.

Luckily for me, SC thinks my choice is the right one. It could have just as easily went the other way for me.

Why couldn't they leave it up the individual to decide? Wouldn't that be the "right" choice?
 
04ctd said:
I think you should keep your opinion to yourself, in anything that does not concern you.
especially if the other guy is heavily armed.

folks carrying CC are one of two types:
-crazy ninja bad guys with "tack-tee-too-kewl" stenciled on thier skivvies.
-paranoid crazy guys.

nothing good could come of you discussing his conduct in an open place, esp in front of anyone he would have to "save face in front" of.


to call an armed man stupid....is well, stupid.

you may have been right, but dead men don't gloat well, and, they usually don't get the final word.

You're NOT implying that the CC'er in question would have gone crazy and shot someone for mentioning his M.O. was showing, are you? :shock: :?
 
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04ctd said:
folks carrying CC are one of two types:
-crazy ninja bad guys with "tack-tee-too-kewl" stenciled on thier skivvies.
-paranoid crazy guys.

Really? That's good to know.
 
C_Carson said:
mcdaniel said:
Luckily for me, SC thinks my choice is the right one. It could have just as easily went the other way for me.

Why couldn't they leave it up the individual to decide? Wouldn't that be the "right" choice?

With very few exceptions, its always the best choice I agree with 2a carry. In so many words that's what I was pointing at.
 
I wouldn't have said anything. He could be a LEO. I've had people come into my place of business with obvious printing, no problem as long as it's not pulled. I carry mine OWB 6 o'clock, it prints when I bend over, and at some odd angles. With single layer clothing covering it, there is no complete concealment on the belt.

Clint 8-)
 
C_Carson said:
You're NOT implying that the CC'er in question would have gone crazy and shot someone for mentioning his M.O. was showing, are you? :shock: :?

no, i am stating that you never know someone's emotional/alcohol/drugs/ADHD/anger/rage/parole/warrant status.

people are unpredictable.

you should leave people alone in public.

if you happened to see him later outside, might mention it in private, maybe in bathroom. more in a jovial manner
 
04ctd said:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=24d_1340766124&comments=1

video in Portland, maybe relevant?

The lesson being that a LEO with qualified immunity doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily seize someone who is lawfully and publicly carrying a hand gun, so maybe average joes should think twice before going all mall ninja on their fellow citizens?

Seriously, I thought in SC people would know how to be adults around firearms in public. But show them a little "obvious printing" or a flash of steel as you bend over and there's shrieking as if a woman in Saudi Arabia flashed a bit of ankle beneath her burqa followed up by what sound like death threats. Someone in my silly mandatory SC CWP course loudly and explicitly stated that they would shoot anyone they saw with a gun that wasn't obviously a cop regardless of their behavior. The CWP instructor didn't bat an eye. Guess what that's called? Murder 2.
 
You advocate removing someone's state granted privilege of self defense because his weapon flashed?
 
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