"No guns" symbol

[Sundance]

I don't think this applies to the situation. They are not unlawfully entering the place of business because it's open to the public, they are not trying to remove someone against their will. They are trying to steal something, which is not listed in the Castle doctrine. I believe this has to do with ownership or occupancy of a residence, business or vehicle. That is how it reads to me. Thanks for posting. It's been awhile since I read all this.

 

[Burk Cornelius]

I think this is what you are looking for, Mike. But, as has been stated already, make DAMN sure you know the situation before intervening. Everything is not always not what it seems

TITLE 21 § 1289.25. Physical or deadly force against intruder

D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

 

[Wildcat]

In my ccw class at h&h they talked about a woman who drew on undercover agents who were busting a guy. She ended up convicted on a felony for drawing on a federal agent (or so they said)

 

[Sundance]

Hopefully that type of situation doesn't present itself. I know the LEO's cant be everywhere all the time so we need to be capable of defending ourselves and others when needed. I take carrying a weapon very serious and feel we should all be very responsible about it. To me it's not something to be taken lightly. The fun part is going to the range or setting up targets in the pasture! I appreciate the feed back. Thanks

 

[ChrisC]

the law is very specific on coming to the aide of others. it better damn well be someone very close to you:

b. Defense of Another: Usually, if a person witnesses another person in a threatening situation, the best course of action is to call the Police. In limited circumstances, however, a citizen may lawfully come to the aid of another person. A critical difference exists between protecting someone we have a relationship with and acting on behalf of a stranger.​

(1) The amount of force used may not exceed the amount of force a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the person using defensive force, would have used to prevent the bodily harm.​

(2) Deadly Force -Defense of Another: Legal Standard, justifiable use: A person is justified in using deadly force in defense of a spouse, parent, child, employer, or employees, if that person reasonably believes that use of deadly force is necessary to protect a spouse, parent, child, employer, or employees from imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.​

(a) Defense of another is a defense, although the danger to the life or personal security of the protected party may not have been real, if a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the defended person, would reasonably have believed that a spouse, parent, child, employer, or employees was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.​

Bodily harm under this law means any touching of a person against their will with physical force, in an intentional, hostile, and aggressive manner.​

If a business has a no gun sign you are unlawfully carrying. from the SDA lesson plan:


NOTE: (K) -It is unlawful for a person with or without a license to carry a concealed weapon onto property where an owner has barred weapons, with the exception of transporting and storing a firearm in a locked vehicle on any property set aside for any vehicle. 21 O.S. 1289.7a(A)

 

[Sundance]

Thanks Chrisc, this relates to our discussion in ccw class.

 

[Burk Cornelius]

Chris, do you have the Statute number/section for the above?

 

[poopgiggle]

My favorite states are the one where the law says "if you're someplace where you're not supposed to carry, but you have to draw and fire and it's ruled a good shoot, we'll let you off the hook for carrying there."

Oklahoma is not one of those states

 

[ChrisC]

Ill have to look it up. I pulled it straight from the lesson plan.

 

[ChrisC]

look at 1290.22 for business owner's rights

as far as the defense of another that's what it says in the lesson plan, Iam still researching the legal aspects of it.

 

[Iggie]

look at 1290.22 for business owner's rights

as far as the defense of another that's what it says in the lesson plan, Iam still researching the legal aspects of it.

I don't believe that's law, I do believe it is put in the lesson book to add some reality to peoples dreams of recuing the damsel in distress hero senario, its a good decision to not get involved unless you know the whole situation, I mean how do you know the person your "saving" didn't just cut someones throat and walk out and what you are seeing is a family member of the victim trying to detain or stop the attacker

So if I'm correct you can legally protect anyone in inmediate danger of great bodily harm, but if you don't know the situation, and what happened before what you encountered it, best decision might be to stay out of it for yours and others protection.

This is all my undersatnding of the laws and suggestions and I could be wrong, let me know what you think.

For good measure here's a senario,

Your walking down an aisle in walmart, you hear a man and women scream then several others scream and run away. Being the good sheepdog you are you approach the area of the comotion as you peek around the pop tarts you now see a man pointing a gun at a woman and demanding that she get on the ground and says if she moves he will shoot. You are legally caring a firearm.

You have only a split second to decide.

Option A. Flight, as you have a clear path to flee, you could easily escape the situation.
Option B. Fight, you are armed and the distance isn't that more then 10 yards and there is little chance to hit anyone other than the target that you can see.
Option C Observe and report, sometimes the best solution is to ignore fight or flight and become a crediable whitness, some situations allow only this soulution.

What really is going on, the women pulled a knife on her boyfriend who she found in walmart with his on the side girlfriend, she attacked him, as he slipped away and she started a chasing him a fellow sheepdog who was present for the whole situation drew on her and commanded her down for his and others protection, giving statements that he would use force if she advanced. You don't see the Cheating BF because he ran, you don't see the knife because its behind an obstruction, such as a coffin freezer or just around those wild berry pop tarts.

Did you shoot the law abiding citizen? Did you miss and kill the 18year old girl in the stock room?(misses happen to everyone even more so while under preassure and stress, well except for Accurate Ron)


Well anyway on with life.