"No guns" symbol

drmitchgibson

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At the post office today, there was a "No concealed weapons blah blah blah" sign stuck on the door. The "no guns" picture was the typical red circle with a slash, but the gun in the picture was of either a Ruger Mark III or a Browning Buckmark! The barrel was like a Mark III and the receiver was like a Buckmark. Weird. I've only seen the Beretta 92 and the 1911 GI model in those pics so far, in real life.
 
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I found out that those signs at 7-11, hold no legal bearing on whether or not you can carry, just dont whip it out. If they get robbed, let the guy rob it...they only keep like 30 bucks on hand. Thats official 7-11 policy, to let robbers take the money. sad but true...
 
I found out that those signs at 7-11, hold no legal bearing on whether or not you can carry, just dont whip it out. If they get robbed, let the guy rob it...they only keep like 30 bucks on hand. Thats official 7-11 policy, to let robbers take the money. sad but true...

It's better than potentially being liable if someone gets shot in your store. It's even worse if it's by one of your employees. Remember that 7-11's corporate policy covers locations everywhere, not just in states with enlightened Castle Doctrine laws like Oklahoma's.
 
I heard somewhere in the past that if you are in a store while it was robbed and they didn't provide security or allow you to defend your self you can sue the place for not providing a safe enviroment or some garbae like that. Granted what i heard might be total crap too but when people can sue mcdonalds because they got fat from the food they ordered God only knows...

Poopgiggle, I agree. let them rob the place. why stop someone from taking money from a place that doesnt even want you to be able to defend yourself in the first place. plus does anybody really think 7-11 will pay for your lawyer as thanks for the robbery you stopped.
 
Poopgiggle, I agree. let them rob the place. why stop someone from taking money from a place that doesnt even want you to be able to defend yourself in the first place. plus does anybody really think 7-11 will pay for your lawyer as thanks for the robbery you stopped.

IDK, if it seemed like the guy was just going to take the $30 and leave then I'd probably let it go. If the situation seemed more dangerous then I'd try to intervene.

At least I'd like to think I would. No way to know until it happens.
 
As long as it just stays a quick in and out robbery. I say have at it. I would rather let some cop who gets paid to get shot at and fight criminals deal with it. Unless its my money my friends or my family ,screw em....Their money is their problem. They wouldn't do anything to defend me if the perp turned his sights from the register to me.
 
IDK, if it seemed like the guy was just going to take the $30 and leave then I'd probably let it go. If the situation seemed more dangerous then I'd try to intervene.

At least I'd like to think I would. No way to know until it happens.

Totally agree with that. Best laid plans and all that ...
 
I found out that those signs at 7-11, hold no legal bearing on whether or not you can carry, just dont whip it out. If they get robbed, let the guy rob it...they only keep like 30 bucks on hand. Thats official 7-11 policy, to let robbers take the money. sad but true...

Plus unless the robber turns the gun on you, you can't (not supposed to) do anything anyway. CCW is only for your own self defense and of course family members.
 
Plus unless the robber turns the gun on you, you can't (not supposed to) do anything anyway. CCW is only for your own self defense and of course family members.
Not necessarily so. Your legal to defend a person in imment peril. I'm on my phone or I'd post the actual regulation
 
Not necessarily so. Your legal to defend a person in imment peril. I'm on my phone or I'd post the actual regulation

We discussed this type of situation during the concealed course and it was stated that we are not trained as law inforcement officers and that you can only protect yourself if the threat is directed towards you.
 
Post the regulation though I'd like to read it. I'm not saying I wouldn't do anything if I was able. It would be hard to stand by and watch someone else get hurt.
 
We discussed this type of situation during the concealed course and it was stated that we are not trained as law inforcement officers and that you can only protect yourself if the threat is directed towards you.

please excuse the spelling above, I meant enforcement. stupid phone
 
In the ccw class I went to they said you could but it wasn't the best idea, considering the fact you become liable for the situation.
 
Post the regulation though I'd like to read it. I'm not saying I wouldn't do anything if I was able. It would be hard to stand by and watch someone else get hurt.

Oklahoma Castle Doctrine:

A. The Legislature hereby recognizes that the citizens of the State of Oklahoma have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes or places of business.

B. A person or an owner, manager or employee of a business is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

1. The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or a place of business, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against the will of that person from the dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business; and

2. The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

C. The presumption set forth in subsection B of this section does not apply if:

1. The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not a protective order from domestic violence in effect or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person;

2. The person or persons sought to be removed are children or grandchildren, or are otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or

3. The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle, or place of business to further an unlawful activity.

D. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

E. A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter the dwelling, residence, occupied vehicle of another person, or a place of business is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

F. A person who uses force, as permitted pursuant to the provisions of subsections B and D of this section, is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes charging or prosecuting the defendant.

G. A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force, but the law enforcement agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

H. The court shall award reasonable attorney fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection F of this section.

I. The provisions of this section and the provisions of the Oklahoma Self-Defense Act shall not be construed to require any person using a pistol pursuant to the provisions of this section to be licensed in any manner.

J. As used in this section:

1. "Dwelling" means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people;

2. "Residence" means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest; and

3. "Vehicle" means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
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