NFA Guns are not ILLEGAL GUNS

[Avtomat-Acolyte]

I am familiar with the 1934 National Firearms Act.

I know that when a rifle has a barrel under 16 inches that it becomes a Class 3 weapon.

I know that when a shotgun has a barrel under 18 inches that it, too, becomes a Class 3 weapon.

I also know that the worst part of going through the NFA process is not the $200 tax (each stamp!) but the 6-8 month wait for a signature and paperwork return.

I don't own any illegal guns and I, unlike many gun owners, am actually informed enough to know the difference.

So, please, for the sake of your own ignorance, if you see me or someone else post a picture of a gun that you think is scary or illegal.... realize that you're probably overreacting because you don't know any better.

 

[beerman]

While I can appreciate your rant, I have felt the same way numerous times elsewhere, I would think almost everyone here is at least a little familiar with class 3 firearms and know they aren't "illegal."

 

[Avtomat-Acolyte]

While I can appreciate your rant, I have felt the same way numerous times elsewhere, I would think almost everyone here is at least a little familiar with class 3 firearms and know they aren't "illegal."

There's a few people on this forum that have "called me out" for posting pictures of a Short Barrel Rifle and Short Barrel Shotgun. Their Nazi gene kicked-in and they demanded 1) my papers or 2) my bannishment.

 

[beerman]

It's important to remember that we are all here because of the common interest we share. Nothing good comes from accusing members of having illegal firearms or placing their own children in danger.

We all have different styles. Everyone just take a deep breath and relax.

Now, go write your congressmen that you don't want them to throw away the constitution.

 

[PCShogun]

Here Here Beer!

+1

 

[11B3XCIB]

And hopefully the USPS will be bringing my dealer another stamp today.

 

[PCShogun]

Since we ARE talking NFA frearms here.

If I get a SBR stamp for my PPS-43c to legally unfold the stock. Does this mean I cannot sell it to anyone else unless they get their stamp first? Its my understanding that the stamp is not transferable.

Can a FFL-01 buy the weapon and then resell it to a properly stamped individual later?

I hesitate to SBR my PPS for fear that if I need to sell it, my market will be highly restricted.

 

[Avtomat-Acolyte]

Since we ARE talking NFA frearms here.

If I get a SBR stamp for my PPS-43c to legally unfold the stock. Does this mean I cannot sell it to anyone else unless they get their stamp first? Its my understanding that the stamp is not transferable.

Can a FFL-01 buy the weapon and then resell it to a properly stamped individual later?

I hesitate to SBR my PPS for fear that if I need to sell it, my market will be highly restricted.

You can get an ATF Form-1 and apply to register your gun as a Short Barrel Rifle and pay the $200 tax for the stamp on that non-transferrable form.

If you decide to sell the gun you can weld the stock closed (or remove it, or add a 16 inch barrel) and send a letter to the ATF telling them the gun is no longer a Short Barrel Rifle and to remove it from the NFA Registry. The weapon is now a "regular rifle" (if you do the 16 inch barrel) or "regular handgun" (if you weld the stock closed) and can be sold like a normal rifle or handgun.

That is the easiest and most practical option. You can, otherwise, transfer a Class 3 gun to someone else but they have to initiate paperwork and pay their own $200 fee. If the weapon crosses state lines there are TWO $200 tax stamps required, making the process much less desireable or affordable for a purchaser. Plus there's the 6-12 month wait...

 

[PCShogun]

Ugh, that reinforces my doubts as to making it SBR. Perhaps if my financial status were such that I knew I'd never sell it, I would feel better about it.

Good information though, and thanks.

 

[Tigerstripe]

i thought they were bustin your chops about posting the kids pics.

 

[urbancommandox]

Most people even some ffls don't know what nfa is. Take money man I saved them twice from loosing their license or fines if they were to be inspected. The had a gsg sbr at one and an aow at another. Atleast they listiened when I explained the deal. Recently a guy bringing in consignments at Carolina rod and gun while I was window shopping was surprised along with the counter guy when I told him he needed to take the folding stock of his sp89 pistol.

 

[Paco]

I am familiar with the 1934 National Firearms Act.

I know that when a rifle has a barrel under 16 inches that it becomes a Class 3 weapon.

I know that when a shotgun has a barrel under 18 inches that it, too, becomes a Class 3 weapon.

I also know that the worst part of going through the NFA process is not the $200 tax (each stamp!) but the 6-8 month wait for a signature and paperwork return.

I don't own any illegal guns and I, unlike many gun owners, am actually informed enough to know the difference.

So, please, for the sake of your own ignorance, if you see me or someone else post a picture of a gun that you think is scary or illegal.... realize that you're probably overreacting because you don't know any better.

One minor correction, as we in the lifestyle like to correct terminology, There is no such thing as a class 3 weapon. It is a Title II firearm.
Yes! Even my suppressor is regulated as Title II firearm with 4473 and everything, same as Title I firearms.
Interesting fact! a shotgun with a barrel length under 18" and ONLY a pistol group is an AOW

 

[armaborealis]

I recently had a conversation with a coworker. He's a reloader-bench rest shooter type who built an AR because he's a tinkerer and thought it would be fun. He mentioned he had a 14.5" bbl and I mentioned I had one too, and I asked him what muzzle device he had on there. After all, when you have to pin & weld the muzzle device to get to 16.1" you get a bit choosier, right? I even mentioned how I bought the upper, had my flash hider welded, THEN bought the lower last to avoid constructive intent issues.

He was like, "Oh, well, why would I have to have something welded on? I mean, its longer than 16" right now, right?"
Me: :? I told him to check out ATF's website, with a focus on SBRs, NFA 34, and Constructive Intent.
He did so, got really pale, and muttered something about having to get to a gunsmith rikki-tikki. :shock:

I think a lot of people have no idea about many NFA rules, especially "constructive intent," and can very easily get into a lot of trouble. Victimless crimes are really stupid. The ATF delights in targeting otherwise law abiding folks and screwing them with this sort of stuff for some reason.

I'd love to get some tax stamps but it is a PITA moving frequently. Once I settle down I'll probably pull the trigger. Maybe by then we'll have a few items delisted, or some of the state-level Firearms Freedom Acts will have some court backing.

 

[Tigerstripe]

paco, i disagree with the shotgun statement.

if you buy a new shotgun that comes with a pistol grip, it can be registered as an AOW. $5.00 tax.

as with mine it did not come with a pistol grip, so i had to form 1 it, make a firearm, as they put it. $200 tax. it is regerstered as a Short Barrel Shotgun.

 

[Paco]

paco, i disagree with the shotgun statement.

if you buy a new shotgun that comes with a pistol grip, it can be registered as an AOW. $5.00 tax.

as with mine it did not come with a pistol grip, so i had to form 1 it, make a firearm, as they put it. $200 tax. it is registered as a Short Barrel Shotgun.

As I understand it,
AOW Form 4: $5 (Transfer)
AOW Form 1: $200 (Manufacture)
So if you're Form 1'ing a shotgun, might as well SBS it so you can put a stock on it.

 

[Tigerstripe]

thats what i did, and buy a pistol grip.

for a long time i couldnt find proof that they had to be ingraved. dont remember if i found it or just gave in but i had them ingraved. yes i did find it. name address state.

 

[urbancommandox]

Had a coversation with the semi toothless brass pirate at twin ponds the other days. He must be 70-80 years old. I had my ar sbr and he was helping some kids with a 10-22 that wouldn't run right. He gave them a window bottle of some brown stuff and told em that would make it run right. Anyway he says the ban won't happen. I said don't be so sure that there won't be a ten round magazine limit. Then told him about ny and how nj and even cali are likely to follow. He then said that's what happens you build yourself a machine gun or a silencer then they catch you out here with it and make your register it and pay tax on it. My eyes popped out of my head. Pay after they catch you with it? I told him any machine gun that you can legally by comes with a tax and whether you buy or build a silencer there is a tax. I even pointed over to my ar and said there's a tax on that to. He then gave me a loud " well back to the point". I then said anything title two or class three your going to pay a 200$ tax on before you can have. And then I got a few more loud "well back to my point". Then he yells that they tax ya every year and tax ya and tax ya till you can't afford em. I was going to explain that its a one time tax, but he stomped off and yelled how it was to windy for him to shoot. Then went back to picking up everyone's brass as it was fired. Looked at his stuff a bolt gun and some revolvers of .22 and .38 variety. Figured well he's old enough to know about all the registrations, nfa, Clinton ban, ect. But I figured with his weapons and age he's in no danger of getting himself in trouble. I doubt he even shoots the guns he had.
On a side note did get some helpful 1911 advice from another guy.