Tigerstripe
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has anybody heard that letters were sent to regeristered owners of rifles and shotguns, with over 5 shot capacity, to turn them in or they would come and get them?
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Midnight Raver
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Yup, saw it on Facebook yesterday- bunch of Fascisti swine!!! :evil:
Avtomat-Acolyte
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Registration of weapons only serves one function: to facilitate confiscation.
You don't even need deductive reasoning to understand such an obvious conclusion. If you register a weapon, and are later called upon specifically to turn it in, then you should turn it in. You're already a complete idiot without any common sense, you might as well go full-retard.
Godwin's Law Alert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
When Jews in Germany had to register they were eventually rounded up and we all know the outcome of that.
Men are capable of immeasurable evil. Registration only serves to confiscate and disarm. Disarmament only serves to subjugate and enslave. At that point you might as well be dead because you're as far away from being alive as you can get without crossing that final hurdle.
The people that register their weapons deserve what they get. They're ignorant, servile ****s. The only way these apathetic scum can redeem themselves is to violently resist disarmament. Their deaths might serve as a rallying point for those of us that aren't resigned to perpetual serfdom.
I hate these people. Their complacent and pliable behavior over the previous decades has lead to an emboldening of my enemies and a solidification, expansion and consolidation of their power in many states and the ability to export it to other regions. I don't feel outrage at rumors of confiscation. I feel outrage at these untermenschen that want my pity or outrage in place of their own personal responsibility to overthrow, burn and kill tyrants, their friends, their children and anyone that sympathizes with them.
If they won't take care of their own political fiasco and want to outsource it to others then why the hell should anyone even bother? Go ahead and turn in all guns and outsource your personal responsibility to defend yourself and your family to your local police. You've already demonstrated that you're 1) incompetent, 2) impotent and 3) worthless.
Your plight only serves as a warning to those that have value.
You don't even need deductive reasoning to understand such an obvious conclusion. If you register a weapon, and are later called upon specifically to turn it in, then you should turn it in. You're already a complete idiot without any common sense, you might as well go full-retard.
Godwin's Law Alert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
When Jews in Germany had to register they were eventually rounded up and we all know the outcome of that.
Men are capable of immeasurable evil. Registration only serves to confiscate and disarm. Disarmament only serves to subjugate and enslave. At that point you might as well be dead because you're as far away from being alive as you can get without crossing that final hurdle.
The people that register their weapons deserve what they get. They're ignorant, servile ****s. The only way these apathetic scum can redeem themselves is to violently resist disarmament. Their deaths might serve as a rallying point for those of us that aren't resigned to perpetual serfdom.
I hate these people. Their complacent and pliable behavior over the previous decades has lead to an emboldening of my enemies and a solidification, expansion and consolidation of their power in many states and the ability to export it to other regions. I don't feel outrage at rumors of confiscation. I feel outrage at these untermenschen that want my pity or outrage in place of their own personal responsibility to overthrow, burn and kill tyrants, their friends, their children and anyone that sympathizes with them.
If they won't take care of their own political fiasco and want to outsource it to others then why the hell should anyone even bother? Go ahead and turn in all guns and outsource your personal responsibility to defend yourself and your family to your local police. You've already demonstrated that you're 1) incompetent, 2) impotent and 3) worthless.
Your plight only serves as a warning to those that have value.
Tigerstripe
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It's True: Government is Aggressively Engaged in Gun ...
Cameron described what they would do in a typical raid in order to enter a home without a warrant.
?We would show up with way too many agents for the circumstance, and it didn?t make any sense; there was no need for it. And yeah, the whole place would be surrounded, and absolutely, there?s an intimidation factor there that makes people allow ? or think that they need to allow ? law enforcement into their house. And if we found out there were guns in the house, then we would confiscate them. I think it is, overbroad, overreaching. I think it?s confiscation under the guise of safety. That?s absolutely what I think it is. And I think this is the crux of the whole issue. You need to know what you can and can?t do when confronted with law enforcement, especially in your own home. I mean, that?s the premise of the Fourth Amendment,? Cameron said.
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/true- ... q4eTWQb.99
Cameron described what they would do in a typical raid in order to enter a home without a warrant.
?We would show up with way too many agents for the circumstance, and it didn?t make any sense; there was no need for it. And yeah, the whole place would be surrounded, and absolutely, there?s an intimidation factor there that makes people allow ? or think that they need to allow ? law enforcement into their house. And if we found out there were guns in the house, then we would confiscate them. I think it is, overbroad, overreaching. I think it?s confiscation under the guise of safety. That?s absolutely what I think it is. And I think this is the crux of the whole issue. You need to know what you can and can?t do when confronted with law enforcement, especially in your own home. I mean, that?s the premise of the Fourth Amendment,? Cameron said.
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/11/true- ... q4eTWQb.99
urbancommandox
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There also reporti g record low numbers of registration. Surprise surprise
Here is my views on the matter.
If it were not for the fact this government would confiscate them and is then I would agree with registration. This would help keep guns in the hands of law abiding citizens and we could destroy or resell those which are not registered. If they would have gone this route instead of taking all the guns route we and even they would be in a much better position. You can not take all guns away, so every law abiding citizen needs one for protection. History shows confiscation only leads to more crime. I will not live in a state or city where this is implemented and I don't see how anyone would stay and support in taxes a place that does. This government is out of control and I am ashamed.
If it were not for the fact this government would confiscate them and is then I would agree with registration. This would help keep guns in the hands of law abiding citizens and we could destroy or resell those which are not registered. If they would have gone this route instead of taking all the guns route we and even they would be in a much better position. You can not take all guns away, so every law abiding citizen needs one for protection. History shows confiscation only leads to more crime. I will not live in a state or city where this is implemented and I don't see how anyone would stay and support in taxes a place that does. This government is out of control and I am ashamed.
wylie
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If anybody thinks this madness cannot come to the state they live in you better wake up. even in Texas some people have been arrested for doing things that are 100% completely legal, everybody just watches what is happening in other states such as New York, New Jersey, California, thinking that this could never happen to us in our state. If all the other states do not support the people in New York What will happen is like a small fire in the woods if you do not put it out completely it will turn into a forest fire consuming everything in its path and it will spread from state to state. we need to find out how to support other people who are losing their rights in other states in a way that is actually effective.
armaborealis
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shane361 said:
Please tell me more about how violent criminals, drug cartels, the mentally unbalanced and others prone to violent outbursts obey administrative laws. I am sure that Los Zetas have properly registered and ensured their technicals rolling around south of the border. I'm also sure that Marvin Heemeyer properly registered his KillDozer. And Maj Nidal Hassan who shot up Ft Hood must have stopped at the provost marshal's office to fill out the right paperwork before his mass murder spree. :lol:
I can point to numerous cases where registries have absolutely failed in any way to reduce crime. Canada's registry had no apparent impact on crime and was way over budget. The Las Vegas metro department has had handgun registration for decades and could not cite a single case where it has been used to solve a crime when challenged in the media and in the court. Same story for DC and Chicago. Cops in DC (as alleged in Heller 2, a case going to the SCOTUS) don't even bother to check the registry before serving a warrant, which is the ostensible reason for it ("officer safety") because they know the types of criminal underclass people they are serving warrants on don't register their guns.
Indeed, the Supreme Court has ruled (Haynes) that prohibited persons are exempt from registration requirements.
It is very easy to disprove the assertion you've made. I would love to hear of any jurisdiction that implemented gun registration and saw statistically significant reductions in violent crime due to that action. Don't cede the ground to the anti-gun folks.
This is tough for most average law abiding middle class type people to understand: the violent criminal underclass and mentally ill do not follow laws, rules, or regulations.
Tigerstripe
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but, but, but there isnt supposed to be a registered gun list.
the ffl holds the 4473 for a time and then is supposed to destroy them, right?
the ffl holds the 4473 for a time and then is supposed to destroy them, right?
armaborealis
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Tigerstripe said:
As long as private sales are legal, the registry created by 4473s (whether it is potential, or actually in being) will have significant gaps.
Which is why the gun grabbers so desperately want "universal background checks" and "lost and stolen" legislation.
PANZER22
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All of the guns I own are registered by the required 4473...If there were any other guns around here, they must have been mistakenly donated to Goodwill or something cause I can't find them.
armaborealis said:
HA HA HA...I guess what I said was hard for you to understand. :lol: Everything you just said makes sense and I agree with it all. That however is not my point. If the government would NEVER come after our guns and even believed 100 % that each person should have one let's say that isn't a felon it would work. Registration would work, cause when you come across the bad guys...you take their guns. When you come across any gun and it isn't with the person it is registered to you take that gun. There is no accountability with guns just anywhere and everywhere. If no one was EVER going to take your guns away from you then would you as a law abiding citizen mind if they were registered? As I said, they are and registering them is a terrible idea and the government could have done much more good leaving the guns alone and moving to a registration ONLY. But the government can't be trusted. UNDERSTAND??
PANZER22
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The biggest thing that comes to mind is where are they going to get a well trained army to go confiscate the firearms.......Even if they did it city by city, it would cost millions to do so................................I think the politicians in our government would be overwhelmed with the protest that would rise from such a foolish action.
There would definitely be blood shed and the possibility of rebellion.....This nation would crumble financially.
I don't think the "government" is stupid enough to carry out such a thing.....I don't think that the anti gun craze will last long with Obama gone and many of his decipels gone with him........Hopefully the voters will wake up!
There would definitely be blood shed and the possibility of rebellion.....This nation would crumble financially.
I don't think the "government" is stupid enough to carry out such a thing.....I don't think that the anti gun craze will last long with Obama gone and many of his decipels gone with him........Hopefully the voters will wake up!
They will do what they always do, ease there way into it so no one notices. Easier to take a little at a time than a lot at once. They can go after the ammo, and tax the elephant dung out of it. Maybe be will get someone in office that can take care of elephant dung that matters.
11B3XCIB
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shane361 said:
What about the right to privacy? Do "they" NEED to know what and how many I own, regardless of " good intention"? The answer is NO. They have no business knowing for any reason.
armaborealis
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shane361 said:
If I understand what you have written, you are asserting that registration of firearms is a useful tool that can significantly reduce violent crime and thus contribute to public order.
While the idea that registration reduces crime is an interesting theory, there is zero evidence that I am aware of in the real world to support that theory as accurate. There is lots of evidence that allows us to reject "registration reduces crime" as an ineffective tactic, just like we as a society have used data to reject the idea that the sun revolves around the earth, or that the shape of people's heads is significantly related to their personality (phrenology), or that if you sail far enough to the west you will fall off the edge of the globe and be swallowed up by a dragon.
Again, please identify even one real world example where mandatory firearms registration has been used as a tool that significantly reduced violent crime. I'm not even aware of an example where registration correlated with crime reduction, much less can be proven to be a significant causal factor.
Since you are convinced that mandatory registration can be such an awesome crime fighting tool, surely there is at least one example which can be easily found, though! Certainly enough places, including complete islands like Manhattan or the UK, have implemented such controls that we can see how it is worked as a policy in the real world. My interest is in reducing violent crime in a manner consistent with Constitutional protections at a reasonable cost. If there is a tactic which reduces crime I want to hear about it and see the data supporting it. If there is no data to support the tactic's effectiveness, and indeed, there is lots of evidence that says it is ineffective, I want to spend my energy thinking about something that will work, not some fantasy idea.
I still assert that firearms registration is an ineffective tool for reducing violent crime. If someone can show me evidence to the contrary I'll re-evaluate my position.
Tigerstripe
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im pretty sure it doesnt quite fit in but the NFA registry must work pretty well. i read that there have only been 2 cases of NFA guns, i dont remember if it was used in crime or used in murder.
dont let anybody know that though.
dont let anybody know that though.
11B3XCIB
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Right, very few NFA registered suppressors or MGs (another infringement on our rights) have ever been used in the commission of a crime. However, there are hundreds of prosecutions a year on the possession, construction, and use of ILLEGAL suppressors. Once again pointing to the fact that people breaking the law don't follow the law.
It's all hypothetical and pointless because our government can't be trusted. You trust your wife to know how many guns you have, maybe it's none of her business. But you trust your wife, so it's ok. We trust the government not to take our cars away, they are registered.
There is without a doubt more accountability for weapons that are registered than those that are not. Honestly if that needs to be proven I don't know what to tell you. People tend not to commit crimes with their registered guns, or use someone elses. If it was law(IF) then unregistered guns could be confiscated, sold to the general public etc etc. Don't get me twisted, I love guns and believe every should have them that are law abiding. I don't trust this government and don't believe in registration or confiscation in ANY imaginable way. But I stand by my thought process that if you threw out government confiscation and every gun was registered to a person and upheld those laws to do so crime would go down significantly.
There is without a doubt more accountability for weapons that are registered than those that are not. Honestly if that needs to be proven I don't know what to tell you. People tend not to commit crimes with their registered guns, or use someone elses. If it was law(IF) then unregistered guns could be confiscated, sold to the general public etc etc. Don't get me twisted, I love guns and believe every should have them that are law abiding. I don't trust this government and don't believe in registration or confiscation in ANY imaginable way. But I stand by my thought process that if you threw out government confiscation and every gun was registered to a person and upheld those laws to do so crime would go down significantly.
11B3XCIB
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http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local ... 74341.html
More registration goodness out of Washington, DC.
More registration goodness out of Washington, DC.
