New advice to schools: Confront shooter

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WASHINGTON - Law enforcement authorities are increasingly advising school officials - and even young students - to physically confront suspects in future campus attacks as a final line of defense.

The advisories, now included in training videos and documents prepared by police, represent a major shift in tactics for law enforcement officials who have traditionally counseled potential victims to flee and hide while waiting for authorities to answer calls for help.

"These incidents are becoming a fact of life,'' University of Wisconsin-Madison Police Chief Susan Riseling told a meeting of law enforcement colleagues gathered here. "If there is no other option, take the shooter out.''

Riseling, who has produced an instructional video on dealing with so-called "active shooters,'' said that while police have long urged potential victims to avoid such confrontations at all costs, recent mass shootings are forcing a controversial change in the ranks.

"We're simply bringing citizens into reality,'' Charleston, S.C., Sheriff Al Cannon said. "We aren't being fair when we tell teachers to lock the door and cower in the corner with their children.''

Chuck Wexler, executive director of the law enforcement think tank Police Executive Research Forum, said the instructional shift reflects a "sea change'' in thinking for police who have been re-examining the guidance they provide to schools and other possible targets of mass casualty attacks.

Just as the 1999 Columbine High School massacre prompted police to adopt strategies calling for the aggressive pursuit of shooters at schools, shopping malls, office buildings and other venues to limit potential casualties, police officials said potential victims should be prepared to fight for their survival if there is no route of escape or safe place to hide.

Wexler said some of the new thinking has been drawn from the experience of the heroic passengers of United Flight 93, whose efforts to retake the hijacked airliner from four terrorists likely spared untold lives at the U.S. Capitol building, believed to be one of terrorists' targets during the 9/11 attacks.

During the passengers' battle with the hijackers, the airliner crashed into a Pennsylvania field.

"What Flight 93 taught us is that there are some things that the government can't do to protect you,'' Wexler said. "There are going to be times when you have to be prepared to fight for your life and risk dying because sitting back also has consequences of its own.''

Police officials said they were not advocating arming teachers, students, office workers or others to prepare for such attacks; they also emphasized that confronting the attacker should always be the last option.

The title of Riseling's video - Get Out, Call Out, Hide Out, Keep Out, Take Out - is arranged by the preferred order of response. So, too, is a city of Houston video called Run, Hide, Fight.

In written instructions developed by the U.S. Capitol Police, fighting back is described as the "last resort.''
"You must be committed to the actions you will take, and your attack must be explosive and violent,'' the Capitol Police instruction states. "You must do whatever it takes to survive and not worry about the consequences.

"You want to disable the offender with whatever means you can. This could involve throwing items or using objects to strike, stab or slash the subject.''

Pete Blair, a criminal justice professor at Texas State University, said that in many cases potential victims "have no choice'' but to defend themselves.

In a study of 84 active shooter incidents between 2000 and 2012, Blair said the shooter ended the attack before police arrived in 25 cases: The shooter committed suicide in 21 cases; in four cases, the shooter fled.

In 16 of the 84 incidents, victims stopped the attack before police arrived, either by subduing the attacker -13 cases - or shooting the attacker in three cases.

The case study does not include the 2011 shooting outside Tucson, which left six dead and 13 wounded including then-congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. The shooter, Jared Loughner, was finally stopped by a number of people who tackled the gunman and restrained him until police arrived.

"How long a shooter has to operate depends partly on the behavior of the victims,'' Blair said.

Patrick Berarducci, police chief of Medina, Ohio, and a retired Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent, said the confrontation instruction might be viewed as extreme, but it is "necessary.''

"For a long time, we have been teaching people to be victims,'' Berarducci said. "But sometimes the only choice you are going to have is to die or fight back. Law enforcement has matured. What we're focusing on is how we can save more people.

"I've been in this business for 39 years,'' he said. "I never thought it would get to this point.''
 
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DUH ya think?

they still dont have it right.

in nature its called FIGHT or flight. waiting and talking gets you killed.
 
If only someone made a small, easily carried device that propelled objects at attackers very quickly to make them stop the assault. That would be an awesome tool to use if it came down to resisting a school shooter, I bet.
 
"Hey, you should fight back. But we definitely shouldn't let you carry any weapons. No, it's much better if a 90lb elementary school teacher and 30 kindergartners go at it with bare hands!"

I guess it's a step in the right direction, but there's a long way to go.
 
Slingshots would be good, bear spray cannisters might be better though. Give the teachers a secured bear spray cannister in each room. Too bad slingshots are, ahem, illegal in SOME states...

God I really hate this freaking place!!!
 
These people are dumb. Why is hiding a preferred option to shooting back? Under attack, my priority is to return safely to my family where I am the source of income and security. My priorities are escape (I'd rather get shot in the back on my way out the door than shot in the head hiding under a desk) or fight (I'd rather get shot in the chest while shooting back than shot in the head hiding under a desk).

At least they have gotten off the stupid hang around under lock-down and get murdered mantra.

Flight 93 reminds me of a debate between an anti-gun nitwit and a long time pro gun friend which was on TV not too long after 9-11.

The anti-gun nitwit said something to the effect of "you gun nuts want people to carry guns everywhere!" while almost frothing at the mouth.

Mr gun advocate said "that's right."

The antigun nitwit said "you really think an armed passenger on one of those planes (referring to the hijacked planes on 9-11) could have saved the day?" with one of those self righteous scowls.

Mr gun advocate said "how could it have made it any worse?"

Antigun nitwit was speechless. I LOL'd.
 
Midnight Raver said:
Slingshots would be good, bear spray cannisters might be better though. Give the teachers a secured bear spray cannister in each room. Too bad slingshots are, ahem, illegal in SOME states...

God I really hate this freaking place!!!

That's actually illegal in most states too.

In SC:

(A) It shall be unlawful for any person, except state, county, or municipal law enforcement officers or personnel authorized by school officials, to carry on his person, while on any elementary or secondary school property, a knife, with a blade over two inches long, a blackjack, a metal pipe or pole, firearms, or any other type of weapon, device, or object which may be used to inflict bodily injury or death...

(C) A person who violates the provisions of this section is guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than one thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. Any weapon or object used in violation of this section may be confiscated by the law enforcement division making the arrest.

Note it does not state "serious bodily injury;" "bodily injury" is a low bar to meet:

Bodily injury means physical damage to a person?s body. It is also referred as physical injury. 18 USCS defines it as a cut, abrasion, bruise, burn, or disfigurement; physical pain ; illness; impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty; or any other injury to the body, no matter how temporary.

I am not a lawyer, but you'd have to review SC case law to see what they consider pepper spray to be. Some states consider chemical sprays to be capable of inflicting bodily injury. Even if it is not illegal, the school district almost certainly will prohibit employees from carrying such sprays as a condition of employment.

Moreover any container >50cc is a problem in SC (16-23-470).

In Alaska, whose laws I am more familiar with, it is a crime to have a "defensive weapon" at school, which includes most sprays and tasers.
 
Yes, apparently the thought of some crazed psycho shooting up their kids at school bothers them, but the thought of some school employee shooting back in their child's defense just flat turns their feces to water.
 
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