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Folks, looking for some input here.....

I am going to be offering a full house semi-custom 1911 pistol, and I was wondering what you "the public" would like to see out of gun.

Warranties?
Parts?
Accuracy?
Options?

price is looking like 3600.00 out the door, taxes and transfered.

let me know thanks.

Anthony Durning
 
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For a 1911 I'd want style and accuracy. Those are probably the only guns I believe should remain as pure as possible in a classic sense.

I've just got a crazy mindset when it comes to 1911's though. I view them as kind of a national treasure to be preserved. :)
 
I agree the classic lines of pistol should be maintained, however I do like as some would call it the A2 style. High ride beavertail girp safeties etc..


To be more specific what kind of accuracy numbers would you be looking for, 2 inch @ 50, 1 inch @ 50, sub 1 inch @ 25?
 
3600? I thought most custom 1911s were about 1,000 under this. Can you explain parts you use and what goes into making the pistol to warrant the price? Just curious where the difference is.
 
3600? I thought most custom 1911s were about 1,000 under this. Can you explain parts you use and what goes into making the pistol to warrant the price? Just curious where the difference is.


Semi-customs are close to that, full house guns vary from 3k to 10k depending on the smiff and what the purpose is. My buddy Joe Chambers sold a pair of commanders for 41,000.00 so really the market is wide, no gold, no engraving, match grade ammo. A master level engraving job will run you into the 5 to 6k range, the laser stuff is cheaper but not that much.

Wilson supergrade guns start at 5k, 25 yard 1 inch, match grade ammo, no gold, no engraving.
Brown Classic- 4k, no accuracy qoute, no gold no engraving
Les baer- 100th, engraving and gold front sight 6995.00 3 inch group at 50, match grade ammo.

So I beleive that if I produce a combat spec'ed pistol that will run with mud and blood in it and shot 1.5 groups at 50 with match grade ammo, 3 inch groups with factory ammo and be better build and more ergo suited to the customer, 3600.00 aint to bad.

I have about 185 hours in each build and the parts that I choose to run are not cheap even from a dealers prosepctive. My customer have the knowlegde of know as long as I am alive if the pistol requires corrections no labor charges. 95 percent of my pistols parts carry a lifetime warranty on the parts inside from the supplier, so to honor that is the easy part.

each gun is fitted to the operator, no off the self and requiring new grips or what have you to be right for you.

As for 1 inch groups at 50 with factory ammo, when you pull that off, let me know and I will buy your guns.

Thanks, hope that explains a litte better.

A
 
No offense, but at that price point a big part of what you're buying is the name, and you don't have the name recognition of Wilson or Ed Brown. I don't think you're going to get $3600 for a gun right off the bat.
 
I average 2500 to 3500.00,

Name I beleive plays a part in the factory guns, Colt vs. springer. the same G.I. is about a 300.00 price differance.

Top line smith work is about 5k over the price I have stated, names like yost, rogers and Marvel come to mind.
 
this is not a discussion of what you feel is the correct price, but what would be expected for that price. I can't reason 5k for 1 inch groups at 25, but alot of others can.

If you cant reason the cost thats your choice, but not all of us drive corvettes either.
 
What I'm trying to tell you is that, for most people, what they want in a $3600 gun is for it to come from Ed Brown. My impression of the kind of people who spend big money on 1911s is that they want to be able to say that they got their gun from Wilson Combat or that it's a Yost-Bonitz build.

You seem fixated on selling a $3.5k 1911, and if you do I'm sure it will be a great gun and I hope you sell a lot of them. I just think it'll be a tough sell at that price point.

E: You might get a different answer on a board with more Bullseye shooters. My impression is that the real high-dollar work on 1911s is accurizing work that the USPSA/IDPA crowd wouldn't care about so much.
 
At $3600... I'd expect a Ransom rest results of less than 2 inches at 50 yards... but since I am not a "bulls eye" shooter I'd bee looking for some assurance that you would re-tune that gun as long as you live when it starts to fail to feed or eject.

Wilson's run about $2500 up...for an extra grand if your doing the extra gravy work (checkering, milled rib, frame undercuts, full melt, etc) $3600 of a "dead accurate" bullseye gun or a "stone cold reliable defensive 1911" should be doable... or even a well thought out compromise of those two schools of thought.

I know there is a niche market out there for those $5K custom guns that never get shot... a locally produced gun that can run with a Wilson or Baer (or you favorite no-name true custom smith) will sell...but you have to make a reputation.
 
Well if price is beside the point, it wouldn't matter what it did. As you pointed out the price is besides the point then so would be the performance. I don't believe that it is possible to put that much money in a single stack no matter what you do. With the availability of such high quality parts, it is relatively easy to build a 1.5-2 inch pistol given a Modicom of skill and a good set of garage tools that is reliable.
 
yeah when you break it all down I make about 12 bucks an hour, :sarcastichand: maybe I should apply at 7 eleven.
 
well right now 45 acp only as some parts that I like to use are very limited on cailber selection, but I have been talking with suppilers about branching out into the .355 and .400 cailbers.


"well thought out compromise of those two schools of thought" hit the nail on the head sir,


"With the availability of such high quality parts, it is relatively easy to build a 1.5-2 inch pistol given a Modicom of skill and a good set of garage tools that is reliable. "

sounds like your in bussiness then, when can we expect your first bulleyes gun to win a championship?

That very disrespectful remark to alot of people in this industry sir.
 
just want to say sorry for all the flack you are taking over price... it is not easy running your own business and it has to be tough... just wanted to say keep at it and i hope you have a lot of success.. it is tough to look for input and then feel like you are getting attacked....
 
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