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Genetic analysis from "Minco mountain lion" confirms ties to South Dakota
The Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation recently confirmed origins of the mountain lion struck and killed by a motorist in November 2011 near Minco.
According to Erik Bartholomew, furbearer biologist for the Wildlife Department, the 130-lb. male mountain lion that was found dead along HWY 81 north of Minco is closely tied genetically to populations in the Black Hills of South Dakota. DNA analyses performed on tissue collected from the cat also confirm it was a wild mountain lion and not an escaped domestic animal.
"The cat's DNA shows a very close genetic relationship to wild populations in South Dakota," Bartholomew said. "We can say with a high level of confidence that this male was born in the Black Hills region. Another clue that this animal was wild is the fact that it had porcupine quills in its stomach. Apparently mountain lions consider them to be good eating, or maybe they are easy to catch, but many times western states report mountain lions with porcupine quills in their front legs and digestive tract."
A small tooth from the mountain lion's upper jaw also was sent to a lab for aging. Much like the rings on a tree, the root portion of the tooth has rings that can be used by experts to age the animal. The tooth from the "Minco mountain lion" showed that the animal was at least three years old.
"We have no idea of the path he used to get to Oklahoma," Bartholomew said. "However, with him being killed near the South Canadian, he likely was following the river where their primary prey - white-tailed deer - would be in high abundance. Males tend to have very large home ranges at or over 200 square miles. The Black Hills is a small island of habitat, and many times adult males will get in territorial disputes with young males and the loser leaves in search of new territory."
This mountain lion represents a unique research opportunity for the Department since the animals are secretive and because biologists have had few other opportunities to study them up close in Oklahoma.
Other wild mountain lions documented in Oklahoma also have tested positive for Black Hills origins, such as the female captured in the city limits of Tulsa last year and another believed to have been killed by a train in 2004 near Red Rock. A male mountain lion that was shot in 2010 in the Panhandle by a Department of Agriculture employee while depredating livestock tested positive for genetic ties to populations in eastern Colorado, and another confiscated by the Department's law enforcement division in southeast Oklahoma was genetically tied to populations in the Pine Ridge region of northwest Nebraska. Additionally, several other sightings have been documented, including a young radio-collared male from Colorado that traveled through the Panhandle's Texas County in 2010 and is now living in New Mexico, and trail camera pictures from the fall of 2009 that show mountain lions in Tillman and Atoka counties.
Also called "panthers," "cougars" and "pumas," mountain lions are native to Oklahoma and historically would have been found statewide. Bartholomew said it is a common misconception that the Wildlife Department has released mountain lions in Oklahoma.
Officials with the Wildlife Department rely on the public to report verifiable sightings, photos and reports of mountain lions to help document the species in Oklahoma.
To submit photographs and report sightings of mountain lions in Oklahoma, log on to wildlifedepartment.com and report your sighting online or call Bartholomew at (405) 385-1791.

 
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Without reading their paper (if it is published) it is impossible to assess the validity of their conclusions. Can you provide a referenece, Dennis?

Maybe all or most of our cats are from the Black Hills area? A breeding population in OK founded by SD cats would account for the similarity. That would be a known as a founder effect. Just cuz its DNA matched that of cats in SD does'nt mean it travelled all the way from there. Besides porucpines are found in OK. A friend killed and photographed one in Noble County this summer near Ceres. Is the ODWC also going to tell me that porcupine travelled all the way from SD??

I believe the cat in Red Rock was really shot and placed on the tracks to make it look like an accident.
 
I have seen a dead porcupine in noble county. hwy 177 north of stillwater on black bear creek.
We have yet to see a female with kittens, so a breeding population can't be confirmed. It does seem odd that we have the majority from the Black Hills area.
The RedRock lion was hit by one of our coal trains. His radio tracking collar had him from the Black Hill area as well As for the cause of his demise, I can't say with any certainty.
 
I've seen two in Oklahoma in my 10+ adult years living here. I grew up in Colorado, so I know their track and know what they look like. One was around 2002, South Norman just off the S Canadian. The other was 2008 up near Helena, and that one was black. A friend who is a rural postal carrier up there saw it as well, in the same section. We hunt there, and I found it's track. Spooky...we don't camp out there anymore just because one of the kids wandering off would be too risky.
 
Hmmm kind of crazy that they are coming all the way from the black hills area. Although, it seems like there have been an increasing number of sightings there. I have spent a lot of time up there and have a lot of family in the area and still wouldn't say I have seen many in my lifetime. However, believe it if you want or not, my uncle who lives in sundance and the backyard of his house is right by one of the entrances to canyon rd had one in his backyard a year or two ago.
 
Buddy over by Rush Springs has stated he has seen two last year. One was black. One was over by his outbuildings and hte black was beside his dog pen. He has a loud big small dog or small med size nix lab and I am sure if there had been an easy way the cat would had put its feed bag on. His mom is who I am worried about though with enough time she could use the judge she carries. She is accurate but due to hand size and grip she is slow firing.She is about 5' 2" and about 85 pounds ish and frail. His nearest nieghbors have some kids as well. I think none are small but some are not big either.He now keeps a watch out.
 
I have seen a black one by my farm out in Hinton and, now I have also seen some tracks on my place. The road in front of my entry gate is the canadian/caddo county line.

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I remember a thread on a different site a yr or two ago where all the sightings were down played by the G&F in many states. Even with photos from game cameras etc. Seems like the "cat" is out of the bag.
 
I know the cats are here, and have been here as travelers. Their home range is so huge, that the young males must continually look for their own territories, and that's why we see them here.
I can't account for the reason why the Black Hills have been predominate in the DNA analysis. New Mexico has a hunt-able population, and I have followed their track while elk hunting in the snow. I suspect they don't migrate here as they are hunted and trapped, and their numbers are kept in check.
The game cam photo's of cats from the Internet are totally suspect, as photo shopping, and changing text is pretty easy now. Ok did have some photo's and the ODW verified them by going to the area, and having the photo's examined by experts.
There have been many times that the wife and I have been traveling down a country road, and saw a coyote cross the road with the sun behind them. Looking at them with the long tail, they appear black.
Its interesting to note that there has never been one "black panther" pic from a trail cam or camera, ran over by a vehicle, trapped, or what ever.
They simply don't exist in my mind until I see some proof, I'm convinced its an honest mistake by most.
Here is my advice. To prove you've seen a track in your area, either take a plaster cast of the track, or take a really good photo(not a crappy cell pic), and call the number in the OP.
Cat tracks are easily identified by the lobes in the pad. This will be your proof.
 
I was shocked about the black my buddy said he saw, but hearing others figured what the heck he may had been right.
Good points you have mentioned.
 
I still call bs on a black mountain lion and with all the speculation i still refuse to believe it until i see it. The eye always plays tricks on ya.
 
I used to work with a guy that had a breeding pair. His female was pretty darkly shaded. Most definitely not black, but I could totally see her being under the canopy of my land down in SE OK just before dark being mistaken for black quite easily.

He used to bring them into work on occasion if he was going to or from the vet. The coolest pets I've ever seen.
 
I grew up on a farm between Seminole and Bowlegs and in all my 16 years on that farm I never once saw one mountain lion or bobcat. We had a 34 acre lake, 2 creeks, 2 ponds, trees, and open pastures with plenty of deer, quail, turkeys, skunks, opossums, armadillos, and beavers. Never once saw a cat out there.
 
My buddy and I were talking Friday about his cat problems and this is what he sent me. This is his neighbors game cam. My bud said he was going to set his back up to cover his outbuilding and dog kennel where he has seen cats for the past few months off and on.
 
Looks well fed. My buddy says his mother is not to go out by herself any more and his nieghbor has seen a cat around his yard as well. Good looking animal, but it can not be around kids the elderly and live stock.
 
That photo has been posted on hundreds of internet hunting sites.
My buddy and I were talking Friday about his cat problems and this is what he sent me. This is his neighbors game cam. My bud said he was going to set his back up to cover his outbuilding and dog kennel where he has seen cats for the past few months off and on.

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That photo has been posted on every internet hunting site I've ever been on. Diferent city's, different states.

Brings up my point about cat sightings on the internet. The technology is there to put that cat in your living room dragging the deer into the front door, and it almost takes an expert to tell if its true or not.

I've seen it myself on TV, and I'll bet its a standard in most college classes for attorneys, and anybody involved in law enforcement. A professor is teaching a class. Somebody comes in from the side, shoots the professor, and runs off. All of the "witnesses" are segregated, and interviewed about what they saw. Clothes, gender, race, etc.
Almost every time, the "eye" witness's are incorrect in their identification.
As posted earlier, its easy to see a black critter with the sun at their back with a long tail, being assumed to be a "black panther" when its actually a coyote, feral black lab, or a farm dog.
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That photo has been posted on hundreds of internet hunting sites.

That photo has been posted on every internet hunting site I've ever been on. Diferent city's, different states.

Brings up my point about cat sightings on the internet. The technology is there to put that cat in your living room dragging the deer into the front door, and it almost takes an expert to tell if its true or not.

I've seen it myself on TV, and I'll bet its a standard in most college classes for attorneys, and anybody involved in law enforcement. A professor is teaching a class. Somebody comes in from the side, shoots the professor, and runs off. All of the "witnesses" are segregated, and interviewed about what they saw. Clothes, gender, race, etc.
Almost every time, the "eye" witness's are incorrect in their identification.
As posted earlier, its easy to see a black critter with the sun at their back with a long tail, being assumed to be a "black panther" when its actually a coyote, feral black lab, or a farm dog.
<p>On other forums with reports of mountain lions, and "black panthers", I advise the folks seeing%2

Well got it tonight from my buddy who got it from his neighbor. Might have to bring that up. Can you provide a site so I have ammo and know what I am talking about? This pic might be a hoax but I do believe my buddy when he says he has seen cats or at least he thinks he has. Now his neighbor well that is a different story if he is passing this off as his photo and it's not. Would like to find the photo posted elsewhere before i mention it. I'll ask my buddy if he recognizes the stand, They hunt near each other.
 
Well got it tonight from my buddy who got it from his neighbor. Thats the first issue. A buddy of a buddy..........
Its late, and my service is slow. I'd advise you to re-read the first post, seeing what the ODW goes through to verify sightings. Anybody seeing one needs to have Proof.
 
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