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Great, now they want to give the Attorney General the power to deny a firearms transaction if you are "suspected" of being a terrorist which all us NRA members are. :triniti:



S 34 IS


113th CONGRESS



1st Session



S. 34

To increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of firearms and explosives licenses to known or suspected dangerous terrorists.
 
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And even more BANNING standard cap magazines. :triniti:

S 33 IS


113th CONGRESS



1st Session



S. 33

To prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES





January 22 (legislative day, January 3), 2013

Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. DURBIN, Mr. CARPER, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. REED, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. COONS, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. HARKIN, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. BLUMENTHAL, Mr. FRANKEN, Mr. MURPHY, and Mrs. GILLIBRAND) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


A BILL

To prohibit the transfer or possession of large capacity ammunition feeding devices, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act of 2013’.


SEC. 2. PROHIBITION ON TRANSFER OR POSSESSION OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
(a) Definition- Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:

‘(30) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’--

  • ‘(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; and
    ‘(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.’.

(b) Prohibitions- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subsection (u) the following:
‘(v)(1)(A)(i) Except as provided in clause (ii), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding device.
 
No more mail order ammo and you better not buy 1000 rounds or everybody will know about it. :triniti:

S 35 IS


113th CONGRESS



1st Session



S. 35

To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition.


IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES





January 22 (legislative day, January 3), 2013

Mr. LAUTENBERG (for himself, Mrs. FEINSTEIN, Mr. BLUMENTHAL, Mr. SCHUMER, Mr. REED, Mrs. BOXER, and Mrs. GILLIBRAND) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


A BILL

To require face to face purchases of ammunition, to require licensing of ammunition dealers, and to require reporting regarding bulk purchases of ammunition.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,


SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Stop Online Ammunition Sales Act of 2013’.


SEC. 2. LIMITATIONS ON PURCHASES OF AMMUNITION.
(a) Licensing of Ammunition Dealers-
(b) Requirement for Face to Face Sales of and Licensing To Sell Ammunition- Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(c) Limit on Shipping and Transporting of Ammunition- Section 922(a)(2) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
(d) Recordkeeping Regarding Ammunition-
‘(C) Each licensee shall prepare a report of multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise disposes of, at one time or during any 5 consecutive business days, more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition to an unlicensed person. The report shall be prepared on a form specified by the Attorney General and forwarded to the office specified thereon and to the department of State police or State law enforcement agency of the State or local law enforcement agency of the local jurisdiction in which the sale or other disposition took place, not later than the close of business on the day that the multiple sale or other disposition occurs.’.


  • (1) IN GENERAL- Section 923(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended in the matter preceding paragraph (1), in the first sentence, by striking ‘, or importing or manufacturing’ and inserting ‘or’.
    (2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 921(a)(11)(A) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting ‘or ammunition’ after ‘firearms’.
    (1) in subsection (a)(1)--

    ‘(B) for--
    ‘(i) any person except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to--
    ‘(ii) a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to transfer ammunition to a person unless the licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer has verified the identity of the transferee by examining a valid identification document (as defined in section 1028(d) of this title) of the transferee containing a photograph of the transferee;’; and

    ‘(I) sell ammunition, except that this subclause shall not apply to a sale of ammunition by a person to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer; or
    ‘(II) engage in the business of importing or manufacturing ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship, transport, or receive any ammunition; or

(2) in subsection (b)(5), by striking ‘or armor-piercing’.

  • (A) by striking ‘for any person--’ and all that follows through ‘(A) except’ and inserting ‘(A) for any person except’; and
    (B) by striking subparagraph (B) and inserting the following:
(1) in the matter preceding subparagraph (A), by inserting ‘, or to ship or transport any ammunition,’ after ‘any firearm’; and
(2) in subparagraph (B), by inserting ‘or ammunition’ after ‘a firearm’.
(1) IN GENERAL- Section 923(g) of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

  • (A) in paragraph (1)(A)--
    (B) in paragraph (3), by adding at the end the following:

    (i) in the first sentence, by inserting ‘or ammunition’ after ‘other disposition of firearms’; and
    (ii) in the third sentence, by striking ‘, or any licensed importer or manufacturer of ammunition,’ and inserting ‘, or any licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer of ammunition,’; and

(2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 4182(d) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to exemptions relating to firearms) is amended by inserting ‘and except as provided in paragraph (1)(A) and (3)(C) of section 923(g) of title 18, United States Code,’ before ‘no person holding a Federal license’.
 
If that passes, and I'm betting it won't, ammo will come in boxes of 999.
I was around when you had to sign for ammo and show an ID in the 70's. It accomplished nothing. It will have the same effect if this gets passed.
 
didn't want to start another thread, but i have a question.. How exactly is this whole states pass different laws than feds thing going to work out long term? I mean it started with legalizing weed and now we are seeing states saying that whatever feds pass with guns they are not "enforceable" in the state. So are we going to see states just start passing whatever laws they want if they disagree with fed?

sorry politics are well outside of my expertise, so i was just wondering thanks again
 
benjamin-benjamin said:
didn't want to start another thread, but i have a question.. How exactly is this whole states pass different laws than feds thing going to work out long term? I mean it started with legalizing weed and now we are seeing states saying that whatever feds pass with guns they are not "enforceable" in the state. So are we going to see states just start passing whatever laws they want if they disagree with fed?

sorry politics are well outside of my expertise, so i was just wondering thanks again
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I don't think any State law would be able to override a ban for online ammo sales. Most online ammo sales are shipped across state lines and would fall under Federal jurisdiction. SGAmmo in Stillwater would be the exception in Oklahoma, but I don't see how they would stay in business on strictly "In State" sales only.
 
And yet another one!! Hey lets amend the Constitution without actually amending it. :triniti:

H.R. 437: To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited and for other purposes.
 
None of that

threegungeezer said:
And yet another one!! Hey lets amend the Constitution without actually amending it. :triniti:

H.R. 437: To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited and for other purposes.
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The idiots don't even know what AR stands for, Yet they think they can regulate our lives.
Assault weapons are already regulated.
Dumb asses.
 
Don't think they know most of could give a elephant dung less what they do, I'll be called a criminal for owning such madness and who are they going to get to enforce these said bills? Later,

Kirk
 
Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:
Don't think they know most of could give a elephant dung less what they do, I'll be called a criminal for owning such madness and who are they going to get to enforce these said bills? Later,

Kirk
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5 letters " BATFE" :triniti:
 
Well at least being tagged a criminal I'll have more rights with the society we have these days grrrr. I'm about tired of all this crap. How many members of the BATFE are there? wonder if all this actually would go down what the chances are a mess of these people would quit thier jobs? I've heard many LEO say if it did that would be thier last day at work. A lot of different thoughts from all different sides really makes you just wonder WHAT would happen? either way this all sucks. Later,

Kirk
 
Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:
Well at least being tagged a criminal I'll have more rights with the society we have these days grrrr. I'm about tired of all this crap. How many members of the BATFE are there? wonder if all this actually would go down what the chances are a mess of these people would quit thier jobs? I've heard many LEO say if it did that would be thier last day at work. A lot of different thoughts from all different sides really makes you just wonder WHAT would happen? either way this all sucks. Later,

Kirk
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I would bet that the number that would quit would be surprisingly small. A man has to provide for his family and jobs ain't that easy to get right now. I too would like to believe that LEO's would enmass not enforce unconstitutional laws but I think the practicality of having to eat would prevent most of that. Also who knows what distorted information the folks on the ground would get from on high. :triniti:
 
North American Union?

With the increased ammo purchases by government agencies and all the talk about bans, could this be the begining of the NAU?

I think the "stuff" has hit the fan, now just waiting for it to hit the floor, cause something smells rotten in Denmark. :swoon:
 
I really had to take a step back from this for a couple of weeks because I was really getting stressed out by all of this talk and the actions of our government officials, government run media and the mass panic buying of weapons and ammunition. I'm ready for some voting to start on these bills so we can find out where we stand.
 
TroyDB I'm with you. As much as I don't want anything to change, I'm tired of hearing about what they want to do. I want whatever legislation they are going to try to pass to get to the floor in the form of bill and have a vote on record for it.
 
TroyDB I'm with you. As much as I don't want anything to change, I'm tired of hearing about what they want to do. I want whatever legislation they are going to try to pass to get to the floor in the form of bill and have a vote on record for it.
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At that point it is too late!!! I am not sure it is not already but if you do not do your best to try and stop this then you are as much to blame as the Morons who are proposing it. That is part of their plan get the average American to tune out in frustration and give up, so they can act with impunity!!!
 
threegungeezer said:
At that point it is too late!!! I am not sure it is not already but if you do not do your best to try and stop this then you are as much to blame as the Morons who are proposing it. That is part of their plan get the average American to tune out in frustration and give up, so they can act with impunity!!!
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I think you are on to something. Thinking back to that protest at the capitol building a couple weeks back, it got an honorable mention on the news if I'm not mistaken. I really think a protest like that needs to be longer, not like the occupy wall street. I think it needs to happen like once or twice a month around the country.

Look, the fact is these politicos all have their own agenda whether we want to admit it or not. The best way to get attention is to be seen, not once or twice, but on a regular basis. We can send letters and email all we want, but it's just mail. I sent my letters like everyone else here and have yet to get a reply. The fact is that many of the letters and emails that are being received all look the same, computer generated. I think it's time that we start putting faces on this issue and not words. The NRA is great and they are trying to contribute as much as they can to saving the 2nd Amendment, but I feel like people are forgetting how it got to that point to begin with. Remember, there were faces that stood out and lead the masses. Can you imagine how badly that revolution would have failed if we were just a bunch of saps crying for freedom on the internet, thank God we did't have it in 1772 when it all got started with the first Committee of Correspondence.

However, now the internet could be used to organise a peacful movement on a regular basis, that can be seen and reported on more than just a brief moment on the local news. A movement with actual faces in living color and not text on a screen to be ignored and forgotten.
 
Re: How would the Feds enforce any or all these laws.
Simple: Eric Holder goes on TV, announces he has been ordered by our President to do whatever is necessary to protect the nations children. Therefore he is announcing a $5000 "reward", no strings attached, to anyone who can lead them to any ""illegal" firearms, magazines, ammo caches, etc. Somebody, probably lots of somebodys are going to rat out their friends, relatives, etc.

After arrest, the US attorney advises the victim to the effect " Bubba, you're in a heap of trouble. You are looking at 20 to life, $2million in fines, and your real property, bank accounts, vehicles and your guns of course etc. are being confiscated. Only way for me to help you out of the hole you dug is to work for me. Rat out two buddies a month and I will ask for 1 year probation and you get everything back except your firearms and ammo. Screw me over and you will do 20 to life"
Tough choices

This is pretty similar to how we fight the war on drugs which it appears we are losing.
 
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