Iron sight question: code for Kurt, Trapr, look here!

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Tried to find the ask Kurt and Trapr subforum but either it is no more or my search fu is weak.

What is the best arrangement for your eye/rear sight/front post? More specifically what should I be seeing through the rear sight and what is the best way to line them up for speed and accuracy?

Should the rear ring fuzz out of focus, should the ears on the front sight base touch the ring, which aperture should I be using?

Is this different as distance to the target increases?

I found some answers, but a lot of it has to do with hipower and I'm not sure that translates perfectly here.
 
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Im neither of those guys, and by no means an expert, but I would think proper sight alignment and sight picture apply here, Marine Corps marksmanship teaches to center the tip of the front sight post in the rear aperture, the focus is the front sight post, identify your target, but focus is on the front sight post and its alignment in the rear aperture. that is what matters after all. so fuzzy rear aperture, fuzzy target, clear crisp front sight post.
 
I get the basic concept, its really no different than handgun shooting. I was more curious about now close I should be getting to the rear sight and which aperture I should be using for a stage with mixed targets from contact to 100+ yards.
 
standard eye relief using an A2 sight config is about 2.4-4 inches I believe, but that all depends on the person, the large aperture was designed as the standard battle sight and from my experience we used it for targets out to 300 yards, anything past that, the small circle gets popped up. Just to give yourself a better chance. Kurt def has more experience than most anyone I know so he would have to comment on whether he thinks thats a good technique but for myself and from the marksmanship instruction I received thats about how we handled it. The larger aperture is just easier to aquire on the move and shooting closer targets as well, so its really all up to what works for you, but understanding how it was designed to be used helps.
 
Wow, welcome Pat. It's always great to have another celebrity on here
 
Thanks guys for the warm welcome and thanks to JT for inviting me!

Now stop it kids....the flattery will go to my head!

I will do what I can, when I can, to contribute, this looks like a nice place with guys who really want to improve.

Remember...knowledge not shared is knowledge stolen. And I don't lie, cheat or steal!

Thanks again.
Patrick
 
When using iron sights I use the smaller aperture for anything past 25 yards or wanting any type of precision. Regardless if I'm using an HK style front sight or the standard M4 front sight, I don't pay attention to the brush guards just the sight post. The tip of the front sight post on my target and in the center of my rear aperture.
 
Sorry but I didn't know there was a question asked to RNT,.......Pat's article is a very good one and one that I have saved in my computer for reference and rereading whenever I start F'ing up.

For precision shooting the guidance already given is good, for fast and furious hosing, less than 25yds, I ignore the post, use my big aperture, and pull the trigger when I see brown cardboard between the ears of the front sight. If the target is less than 7yds, I ignore the aperture, look over the rear sight and place brown cardboard between the ears. I try and use my big aperture for stuff less than 50yds, and only if its paper, its way too easy to miss with the big ap, on a shot requiring more precision, like a US popper or plate. I place my nose on the charging handle so that I know my spot weld is in the same place everytime, even with 308. Do not use too small of an aperture because you will lose light going thru it, and the sight picture will look darker even in midday light, and it can cause you to not see a target that is plain as day.

trapr
 
No matter what type of shooting you're doing and no matter the range, you will want the rear sight as close as possible to your eye... that is just how an aperture sight works the best, the fastest, and with the most precision. I see a lot of people who are new to the AR try to mount the rear sight too far forward. You should always mount your rear sight on the rear-most rail slot. The rear sight should just be a blur that you are barely conscious of, if at all, while your eye is focused on the front sight once you have lined the sights up on the target. Of course you need to center the front post in the aperture, but after a little practice you will find yourself doing this naturally. This is a combination of muscle memory, and the eye naturally seeking the greatest point of light (the middle of the aperture). However it is good to check yourself every so often during practice and make sure you are still doing it. You should "turkey neck" forward to get nice and close to the rear sight... nose to charging handle is a great way to do this consistently. Think of the rear sight as a window... if you want to get the best view out of a window, you get close to it. Your eye will catch more of the light that is coming through the aperture, and you will get your sight picture a lot quicker since you aren't worrying about trying to line the front up with the rear. That is the chief advantage of aperture sights over notch sights.

Sight radius is a good thing... it makes it easier to be more precise. The front sight should be as close to the muzzle as you can get it, and should be mounted to the barrel, rather than the handguard, for best consistency and precision (since the handguard can move relative to the barrel, especially if resting the rifle on the handguard or with sling pressure on it). It is also best NOT to have a sling attached to your front sight base, as with the factory AR setup, for the same reason. If your irons are purely backup and/or close quarters sights, like with offset sights, these last few things aren't as important of a consideration... but the IDEAL iron sight setup is as long of a sight radius as the rifle design allows, with both the front and rear sights mounted to the barreled action, and with the sling attached to the handguard rather than the barrel or FSB (and preferably a free-floated handguard).

As for what size aperture to use, I like to just use them the way the military intended for them to be used... the big one for point blank out past 200m, and the small one for 300 on out. The large aperture is 2 MOA lower than the small one, which means that if you have a 300m zero on the small one, the big one gives you a 50/200m zero... which is perfect for the closer range targets since it is within a couple inches of POI from a few feet out to 220m or so. Flip to the small aperture for longer shots, and dial your come-ups on the BDC wheel if necessary. For situations where I don't have time to make come-ups, I just remember that at 400m I aim for the head to get a hit on center mass, and at 500m I aim a torso and a half above center mass to get a hit.

All the above advice on close-quarters use of the irons is excellent.

And if you want some great instruction and practice on applying the fundamentals with iron sights for precision shooting, go to an Appleseed. Then go to a good carbine course to learn how to apply them up close and fast.

Hope this helps!
 
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