Illegal NFA

lafayette gregory · Jul 4, 2011

If you knew someone/anyone, who had/built/possesed an unregistered class three weapon. Would you report them to the ATF?

Dirk Pitt · Jul 4, 2011

If they built them with the intent of committing violence and crimes against others yes, otherwise no.

fordnut · Jul 4, 2011

Hope you don't expect true answers here on the "private" internet!!!!!

Steve

HHB Guns · Jul 4, 2011

In a Heart Beat. If I have to pay dearly then so the hell should they. I would also lose my license if I knew and didnt report them.

Dirk Pitt · Jul 5, 2011

HHB Guns said:
In a Heart Beat. If I have to pay dearly then so the hell should they. I would also lose my license if I knew and didnt report them.

Dunno, I think the later is a hell of a lot better of a reason than the former. Seems kinda like the if I can't than nobody can idea to me.

But I also understand your response since you are a law enforcement officer and a dealer, I don't suppose you could be ether and not report NFA violations :lol:

Dave29461 · Jul 5, 2011

Dirk Pitt said:
HHB Guns said:

In a Heart Beat. If I have to pay dearly then so the hell should they. I would also lose my license if I knew and didnt report them.

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Dunno, I think the later is a hell of a lot better of a reason than the former. Seems kinda like the if I can't than nobody can idea to me.

But I also understand your response since you are a law enforcement officer and a dealer, I don't suppose you could be ether and not report NFA violations :lol:

Only if you work for the present administration.

fordnut · Jul 5, 2011

Good point, David...

Stan in SC · Jul 6, 2011

In all cases we all as citizens should follow the course of highest integrity.

Stan in SC

Clicker · Jul 6, 2011

OK I'll play. What if the offender has made an honest mistake, here's an example.
Guy buys a GSG 22LR pistol (looks like the HK MP5) and loves it. Now he figures it's times to add some accessories so he buys a red dot optic and mount. While checking out all the cool stuff he sees a stock & sling for the GSG and buys them also. Now the clerk is an idiot and never cautions the buyer about any possible NFA violation.

Next weekend at the range you notice said shooter & GSG with a stock and only a 9" barrel which makes it a SBR.
He has no clue as to what he has done soooooooooo do you:

(A) Calmly try explaining the ramifications of his action.

OR

(B) Scurry off to a quiet place with cell phone in hand and phone the feds.

Midnight Raver · Jul 6, 2011

I would go with A in this instance- admittedly store purchases of aftermarket items and combining them with firarms isn't always cut and dry. Up here you can sneeze on a firearm and it is immediately verboten. However, pleading ignorance doesn't work out too well mostly. A law abiding citizen would want to know if he/she might be breaking any laws in this manner. It would be nice though if laws pertaining to these scenarios were well defined. We all know that criminals don't care, but easy access to such info would greatly benefit all of us.

That being said:

If said person was acting like a genuine Richard Cranium while kindly being informed about the issues at hand, I would peacefully disengage myself. Option B would probably come into play shortly thereafter...

self preservation is kind of important sometimes. :?

Dave29461 · Jul 6, 2011

I agree with Raver. I could get tripped up by some of the dumb butt rules they have and would appreciate someone setting me straight. The rude owner of an NFA violation might find themselves being quizzed by a higher authority.
Dave

lafayette gregory · Jul 7, 2011

Midnight Raver said:
I would go with A in this instance- admittedly store purchases of aftermarket items and combining them with firarms isn't always cut and dry. Up here you can sneeze on a firearm and it is immediately verboten. However, pleading ignorance doesn't work out too well mostly. A law abiding citizen would want to know if he/she might be breaking any laws in this manner. It would be nice though if laws pertaining to these scenarios were well defined. We all know that criminals don't care, but easy access to such info would greatly benefit all of us.

That being said:

If said person was acting like a genuine Richard Cranium while kindly being informed about the issues at hand, I would peacefully disengage myself. Option B would probably come into play shortly thereafter...

self preservation is kind of important sometimes. :?

I struggled with this scenario. But it looks like Raver nailed it

fordnut · Jul 7, 2011

To me this is a hard question to answer...Nothing is cut and dried....

Is this a carry back that has been in the family for years....and jut dug out of the closet....

Is it a gun that just was worked on, and, someone else screwed it up....

Or...is someone trying to break the law...

Case in point:

Few years ago I was at apublic range. 3 guys came up with 3 black rifles. They started shooting 2 of them. They were at the table nxt to me.
I heard them talking about the new rifle one of them had had built...by a local gun shop.

When the guy with the new rifle came up to fire it the very first time...he pulled the trigger and the gun fired, then he let off the trigger and it fired again...freak accident???

He fired it about 5 rounds and it fired the same way...They thought he was doing something weird....they all fired the rifle a few times, and it acted the same every time...

I politely told them that the gun was breaking the law and that they needed to take it back as fast as they could. The gun needed to be fixed...

Then, I put my stuff away and left. They said they were going straight back to the gun store. I believed them, so, of course, I didn't report them to anyone...

As far as I was concerned...the guy had enough problems...I was not going to start more for him.

To me, it depends a lot on what is going on...

Steve