jtischauser
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0.6-0.8 seconds.
Great Tip for Increasing Your First Hit Rifle Speed
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0.6-0.8 seconds.
1000YRDSHOT
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Ok, well I guess I am just edging into that time frame. I'll try to open up the throttle next time.
You know you haven't been shooting enough when you get a blister on your trigger finger!
1000YRDSHOT
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Jesse, my best split was 0.1 sec, but my average was 0.16 sec. What kind of splits are you getting at that range?
jtischauser
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Eyes, muzzle, target. You should be able to do it with your eye closed with a little practice.
KurtM
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Ok "Tommy" Tischauser!! (reference to Thacker not "tactical")
1000yarder...almost anyone can do those times at those distance, and it isn't indicitive of what you can really do, nor how well you control the carbine/rifle. Extend the range out to around 50 or even 100 and then you will start to have a good index on how fast you/they really are. A real good carbine/rifle guy should be able to put two hits on a C zone sized target at 100yds in the 1.25-1.50 second range from a low ready or "port arms" start with regularity, not an occasional occurence.
1000yarder...almost anyone can do those times at those distance, and it isn't indicitive of what you can really do, nor how well you control the carbine/rifle. Extend the range out to around 50 or even 100 and then you will start to have a good index on how fast you/they really are. A real good carbine/rifle guy should be able to put two hits on a C zone sized target at 100yds in the 1.25-1.50 second range from a low ready or "port arms" start with regularity, not an occasional occurence.
1000YRDSHOT
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Okay, thanks for the advice Kurt. At my next practice session I will see how my times compares to that scenario.
.1 is crazy fast! All the time is in the transition. The .05 second difference doesn't mean hardly anything. Try shooting to a cadence. If you are shooting 0.20s you are cruising!
1000YRDSHOT
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I'll be working on that more than 100 and beyond.... I'd say that I'm fairly competent in that area.
That does make sense. My transitions were around 0.30-0.40 for targets spaced around 2.5 feet apart....0.45-0.6 around 8 feet apart.
Pertaining to pistol, what is a good draw from holster to first shot speed at around 10 yards?
Spiff
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I'm 1.4ish at 10 yards, but I'd classify that as mediocre.
Motojunkie
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I took Mike Pannone's Advanced Carbine class this past weekend. It's a great class. Anyway, he had us snapping to a mini-ipsc steel target at 50 yards. His goal was hits in less than 1.5 seconds. All of the attendees achieved it with no problems - most were in the 1.2ish range. Only one guy consistently achieved 1 second flat...I'm still trying to talk him into shooting 3gun.
jtischauser
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By practice you mean shoot matches, right?
jtischauser
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It's easy to get a sub 1 second draw on a 3 yard paper target. But anything that requires sights most on the clock draws of mine are in the 1.1-1.3 range.
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jtischauser
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I have never seen anything below .14 splits in my timer! So your finger is super fast. Guys like Wall and Rusty can get their second shot off super fast. I'd be curious to hear what they can do.
We don't want that guy shooting 3 gun. Lol!
KurtM
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That drill was at 50 yards and the time for ONLY the first shot. Not to down play it but this drill, while one I do occassionally, tells you nothing of how you are holding your rifle for the follow up shots, which in our game are critical, and if using 5.56 in other aplications.
The old Gun Site "Rifle snaps" drill are akin to what Mike was teaching. At 25 yards 1 head shot in 1.5 seconds at 50 yards, one shot in the A zone (nothing else counted) in 1.5 seconds. Cooper never worried about a second shot, because he never thought about the "carbine" and these drills were designed around a real battle rifle or Scout rifle and "a good center hit with a 308 would do" as he used to say.
The old Gun Site "Rifle snaps" drill are akin to what Mike was teaching. At 25 yards 1 head shot in 1.5 seconds at 50 yards, one shot in the A zone (nothing else counted) in 1.5 seconds. Cooper never worried about a second shot, because he never thought about the "carbine" and these drills were designed around a real battle rifle or Scout rifle and "a good center hit with a 308 would do" as he used to say.
Rustyzx9
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I've never really clocked my splits so I'm not surre where I'm running. It might be a mistake on my part but I'm not sure I'm overly intersted in the split time but more getting the rifle on target and letting the shot happen? I'm not sure that makes any sense or not but my point is that the second shot speed doesn't matter if you're not hitting the target.
Too bad my super fast second shot is usually not so accurate
Motojunkie
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Good point Kurt. We did other drills on the clock that required followup shots placed accurately. I was just talking about that drill since we were talking about first shot times.
KurtM
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Hey I am not taking anything away from what Mike teaches! Between him, Kyle, and Cooley you will never get better rifle training......well maybe from me...but that would be a different subject. Anyway Mike is a friend of mine, matter of fact Cyrwus and I am building him a new 3-gun shotgun, but my point is almost anyone can build a good fast first shot, it is what happens after that that is just as important or more so. Remeber Zombieland...."Doubletap"
As for Pistol draw speed, it should be the absolute same each time, as fast as you can burn it safely! Too many times I have watched folks draw to engage a far target and do their draw real slow because they are trying to be real precise. The draw should burn out at the very same speed you would use at 3 yards.....THEN and only then....take your time on the sights and trigger....NOT a slow draw and a slow shot. I have seen this cost 2-3 EXTRA seconds in some real good shooters. SEE? There is a little tip for all you guys, now I know someone wants to argue about it. :devil:
As for Pistol draw speed, it should be the absolute same each time, as fast as you can burn it safely! Too many times I have watched folks draw to engage a far target and do their draw real slow because they are trying to be real precise. The draw should burn out at the very same speed you would use at 3 yards.....THEN and only then....take your time on the sights and trigger....NOT a slow draw and a slow shot. I have seen this cost 2-3 EXTRA seconds in some real good shooters. SEE? There is a little tip for all you guys, now I know someone wants to argue about it. :devil:
