Government shutdown

[rotarymike]

My main beef with the ACA/Obamacare is the fact that the people sticking us with this are exempt, big business is now exempt, regular working class folks are not, people with no desire to find a job are getting health care on the tax-payers dime. I'm pretty low on the VA totem pole since I don't have a disability but I can use the VA if I want to wait for appointments and pay the co-pay. I have private insurance through my job as well.
I think the republicans are fighting a loosing battle. The Senate will never pass a bill to defund the plan and even if they did Obama would veto and I don't think it would get the 2/3 vote after that. (that is the process, correct?) I think if they want to stop it they need to just pass a budget, see if the ACA fails, then use it against the dems in 2014 and try to take the Senate back. Thats assuming they can keep control of the House.

Mine too - big business and the wealthy are key stakeholders to make any health care reform work. While legislators effectively have private insurance through their work, their care level is way above yours or mine and yet they have no 'skin in the game', to borrow a phrase from Mitt.

I also agree the GOP is tilting at windmills here. And unfortunately for them, I think the American people see the Republicans, who campaigned on jobs, economy, and fiscal responsibility, ignoring that and going after abortion & women's rights, voting rights, immigration and healthcare. I think the Tea Party has fired the shot heard round the world... into its own foot. Which will mean, IMHO, a democratic shift in the House next year. I do not like the idea of the Dems getting free reign for everything - our political system is based upon difference of views and compromise. Of course, that hasn't worked at least since we elected Obama President, so who knows. It's all f^&ked.

 

[beerman]

I'm not sure we'll ever see a conservative senate/house/potus again.

 

[Tigerstripe]

I'm not sure we'll ever see a conservative senate/house/potus again.

my answer to that is we need to work together, which cant be arranged, and

vote out every incumbant for the next 20 years. that will send a message and over time maybe the cream will rise to the top.

 

[kg4kpg]

Well, it sure would be nice if Uncle Sam would make out with me for a little bit before he bends me over to ...well, you know what I mean. I just found out that even though I was on the "essential" list and working, I won't get paid for my time until the ass clowns in DC pass a bill. So, looks like I won't be making the mortgage this month. I'll forward the bill to Sanfords office. I'll have a few days pay on this check so at least I can get gorceries and gas. This sucks! :evil:

 

[11B3XCIB]

Is your mortgage through Navy Federal? If so, they are deferring mortgage payments for those in the same boat.

I honestly don't see it going to be a huge democratic win for the upcoming elections. The Republicans are going to be seen as the ones trying to stop or fix the thing that's going to ruin our country. There are horror stories already of people trying to sign up for Obamacare only to find out their rates are so unaffordable that it's cheaper to pay the penalties. Before you can even see your rates, you've got to register in the system. So, once you find out it's unaffordable and don't want to buy it, your name is on the list of uninsured. I'm not sure if they can garnish wages to get the penalties, but if the person owns a home, a statutory lien can be placed on the property so they'll have to settle the penalties with the government at closing. If I was in that boat...I'd start renting. Obamacare is relying on the young people who are working but uninsured to buy policies so they can subsidize policies for the nonworking and the elderly, etc. Once the same working young people realize that their "affordable" health care solution is anything but, they'll be ditching or avoiding it. Which will cause government costs and the costs of plans to soar.

The point of this is freedom. My biggest problem with this whole thing is that you HAVE to have insurance just to be alive, or pay a fine. There is no freedom in that. If there was an "opt out" clause...like the government offered plans if you are uninsured and WANT a plan you could buy one but you weren't forced into it.

 

[kg4kpg]

Some news story I saw this morning said there were expecting millions of people to have registered in the first week but only have around 57,000. Projections sound a little off to me. :|

 

[flareback]

Some news story I saw this morning said there were expecting millions of people to have registered in the first week but only have around 57,000. Projections sound a little off to me. :|

How are they going to get 1,000,000 people to sign up when the website sucks so bad that no one can log on? Another example of government ineptitude. Another reason* why things should be left to the private sector.

* Note that even if the government weren't inept, I still wouldn't want them doing these things since they get money through taxation (aka theft).

 

[Tigerstripe]

Is your mortgage through Navy Federal? If so, they are deferring mortgage payments for those in the same boat.

I honestly don't see it going to be a huge democratic win for the upcoming elections. The Republicans are going to be seen as the ones trying to stop or fix the thing that's going to ruin our country. There are horror stories already of people trying to sign up for Obamacare only to find out their rates are so unaffordable that it's cheaper to pay the penalties. Before you can even see your rates, you've got to register in the system. So, once you find out it's unaffordable and don't want to buy it, your name is on the list of uninsured. I'm not sure if they can garnish wages to get the penalties, but if the person owns a home, a statutory lien can be placed on the property so they'll have to settle the penalties with the government at closing. If I was in that boat...I'd start renting. Obamacare is relying on the young people who are working but uninsured to buy policies so they can subsidize policies for the nonworking and the elderly, etc. Once the same working young people realize that their "affordable" health care solution is anything but, they'll be ditching or avoiding it. Which will cause government costs and the costs of plans to soar.

The point of this is freedom. My biggest problem with this whole thing is that you HAVE to have insurance just to be alive, or pay a fine. There is no freedom in that. If there was an "opt out" clause...like the government offered plans if you are uninsured and WANT a plan you could buy one but you weren't forced into it.

exactly. so its a tax. now they dont have insurance and they are paying a new tax. billions of new dollars for spending on who knows what.

 

[Frost]

Speaking of things being forced on the common man.
Every heard of the Whiskey Rebellion?
The Fed won that one too, now 60% of the cost at your liquor store is tax.
Is it going to wind up that 60% of the cost of OUR health care is going to be to fund obamas children?

 

[shane361]

Speaking of things being forced on the common man.
Every heard of the Whiskey Rebellion?
The Fed won that one too, now 60% of the cost at your liquor store is tax.
Is it going to wind up that 60% of the cost of OUR health care is going to be to fund obamas children?

There is absolutely no way the government is doing all this....FOR THE PEOPLE.

 

[bigfutz]

From the NHC on NOAA (and also http://www.weather.gov)

Due to the Federal Government shutdown, NOAA.gov and most associated web sites are unavailable. However, because the information this site provides is necessary to protect life and property, it will be updated and maintained during the Federal Government shutdown.

I don't get it. Is it defunded or not? Are the weathermen working for free? Or has nothing been shut down and they are just trying to get a point across (scare tactics)?

 

[kg4kpg]

From the NHC on NOAA (and also http://www.weather.gov)

Due to the Federal Government shutdown, NOAA.gov and most associated web sites are unavailable. However, because the information this site provides is necessary to protect life and property, it will be updated and maintained during the Federal Government shutdown.

I don't get it. Is it defunded or not? Are the weathermen working for free? Or has nothing been shut down and they are just trying to get a point across (scare tactics)?

I'm working for free, don't see why they can't too.

 

[bigfutz]

Maybe I should work for free, and starve the budget of my taxes.

 

[Tigerstripe]

i know its not federal but i was told today that Croft State park is open.

doesnt the DNR run the state park and the public ranges? oh, yeah PUBLIC range.

 

[beerman]

My aunt works for the government, in some part of the IRS I think. She has to work mandatory overtime, that she won't be paid for until the shutdown is over, and they are allocated money to pay for it. If she doesn't show up, she's considered the IRS equivalent of awol. She could be fired or written up for not showing up to work without pay.

 

[kg4kpg]

My aunt works for the government, in some part of the IRS I think. She has to work mandatory overtime, that she won't be paid for until the shutdown is over, and they are allocated money to pay for it. If she doesn't show up, she's considered the IRS equivalent of awol. She could be fired or written up for not showing up to work without pay.

That's a real downer. I hate the IRS but it sucks anyone has to work without pay.

For us, something called the Pay Our Military Act has allowed the CO here to recall all of our staff here at the health clinic (with pay) and any Joint Base jobs that "provide support to our military forces". Big relief, for now. The shutdown is still a burden on the American people that should be lifted by the clowns in Washington.

I was wondering...did the Border Patrol get furloughed? Are we now an open-border country even to those who do come in legally? I know, I know, we were already open to illegals.

 

[John Canuck]

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I was wondering...did the Border Patrol get furloughed? Are we now an open-border country even to those who do come in legally? I know, I know, we were already open to illegals.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/fea ... -698.shtml

Border patrol agents and their families are scrambling to figure out how to survive without a paycheck. Border patrol agents will not get paid until the government's partial shutdown is lifted.

 

[Frost]

I for one will be glad when the obamination gets over his temper tantrum.

 

[kg4kpg]

I for one will be glad when the obamination gets over his temper tantrum.

Ditto.

Well, looks like the civilian side is getting paid now but now I'm reading that the Pay Our Military Act only covers active duty so now it looks like my reserve duty this month is going to be cancelled. Really starting to think I need to put in my retirement papers for the Army and find me a new full-time job. Better yet, move to Belize, buy a little patch of sand on the beach, and open a tiki bar.

 

[kg4kpg]

I guess I was just trying to make muyself feel good hoping the POMA act meant we were getting paid because pay stubs came out today and no pay from Oct 1 to present, or for the foreseeable future. I think I'll do a few admin things then go home for the day. :evil: