DQ or no DQ, you make the call

Dustbuster · Sep 23, 2014

if, that was part of a real match, and the shooters visibly made the effort to make the weapon safe, tossed it into a bucket, then pulled it out w a round stuck "in it" and not the chamber, I would vote no dq. i could be wrong by not seeing something written but that makes sense to me. fwiw... on a side note, i wonder what everyone would be saying if the cosmetics of that pistol were more um appealing.... just sayin

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Troy · Sep 24, 2014

Navyag said:
I'm fairly new to the sport, but the rules are in place for a reason. That reason is to keep everyone safe in what can possibly be an extremely dangerous environment. Weapons are required to be dumped in a safe manner to protect anyone there. A round in the gun is a round in the gun. Without a question should be a DQ. Sucks, super unlucky, but cutting hairs on whether or not it's safe is how people get hurt.

I've been going back and for on this. At first I was thinking no way gun was capable of firing. Would I walk in front of it in that condition, no, I don't want to walk in front of any weapon regardless of condition. Navyag's response in bold is what helped me make up my mind, the shooter was not paying attention when the gun was dumped, if any shooter was paying attention and noticed what happened, I believe the weapon would have received a little more attention and it would have been cleared of any live ammo. My match, my rules, thanks for playing.

mike cyrwus · Sep 24, 2014

TroyDB said:
My match, my rules, thanks for playing.

you have a future as a MD!

jtischauser · Sep 24, 2014

It's an interesting topic and as you can see it like Jared Carpenter can go both ways. That's why I posted it.

runawaygun762 · Sep 24, 2014

What if there was also a hundred dollar bill rubber banded around the grip along with a picture of Rosie O'Donnell in a barbed wire G-string with a small note saying "You know what call to make". Ah ha, I bet that changes some minds in a hurry, huh?

Scott Hearn · Sep 25, 2014

mike cyrwus said:
you guys know how that most likely happened, right?
instead of dumping the gun with the safety on, the guy most likely dropped the mag while racking the chamber clear. that round was from the mag that tried to chamber right as the mag was dropping away from it. a 9mm dingleberry.
that round was a c-hair from getting in the chamber and dumped probably with the safety off. if you guys do this rack that slide a couple times as you dump it, if you have time. either way. you should snick the safety back on anyway. if this guy would have done that, and maybe he did, then he would have known that there was something up in there.
this malf is the functional equivalent of the live round on the lifter, and if youve been around 3g long enough, we all know someone whos dq-ed by that method.

until I hear a good reason between a stage DQ and a match DQ, other than being shooter friendly to be a stage DQ, then Im for all safety related DQ's being match ones.

IDK Mike, I can't really see the correlation to a SG with a shell on the lifter. If the bolt is locked back with one on the lifter, and you just nick the bolt handle going into the barrel, what happens? Bolt closes and you have a hot chambered gun off safe. No way for that to ever happen with this pistol.

I'm with you on the DQ. Im of the mind that you are either DQd or you aren't. Shouldn't be any grey area to consider.

mike cyrwus · Sep 25, 2014

Scott Hearn said:
IDK Mike, I can't really see the correlation to a SG with a shell on the lifter. If the bolt is locked back with one on the lifter, and you just nick the bolt handle going into the barrel, what happens? Bolt closes and you have a hot chambered gun off safe. No way for that to ever happen with this pistol.

I'm with you on the DQ. Im of the mind that you are either DQd or you aren't. Shouldn't be any grey area to consider.

Most of those rounds left on a lifter are the result of a malfunction, and are stuck on the lifter/and the receiver, not just on the lifter. they wouldnt chamber easily

Spiff · Sep 25, 2014

The intent of the rule is to get people to pay attention to the safety issue and ensure a dumped gun is safe. This guy missed throwing a hot gun with a 1/16" 3# trigger pull into a bucket by what amounted to something like .05 seconds in his manipulation of the gun. That he got that close is disturbing to me, I'm leaning toward a black and white match DQ. I dumped a pistol in a bucket muzzle down, safety on, still hot, at a very recent major match. When that gun settled it was pointed right at the RO for the remainder of the stage, and at me as I went to clear it. Had I been sloppy when I dumped it, and had there been a case or ejected round in the bottom of the bucket, there's a very real possibility someone could have ended up with a trip to the hospital. That's what we're avoiding and we should all keep that in mind.

James Peel · Sep 26, 2014

Austin T said:
The intent of the rule is to get people to pay attention to the safety issue and ensure a dumped gun is safe. This guy missed throwing a hot gun with a 1/16" 3# trigger pull into a bucket by what amounted to something like .05 seconds in his manipulation of the gun. That he got that close is disturbing to me, I'm leaning toward a black and white match DQ. I dumped a pistol in a bucket muzzle down, safety on, still hot, at a very recent major match. When that gun settled it was pointed right at the RO for the remainder of the stage, and at me as I went to clear it. Had I been sloppy when I dumped it, and had there been a case or ejected round in the bottom of the bucket, there's a very real possibility someone could have ended up with a trip to the hospital. That's what we're avoiding and we should all keep that in mind.

Of all the responses I've seen here, on Enos, and social media, this is the one that puts the critical issue at the forefront, that being the critical function of the safety precautions.

In this, my second year of three gun, I've had the distinct pleasure of earning two match DQs for safety violations. One involved my tossing a loaded glock into a dump bucket and having it bounce right out. That mistake endangered myself, the RO, and everyone in my squad and I felt horrible for it. I realized that I had become lax and was taking for granted the safety aspects because "I'm a safe gun handler..." I'm willing to bet that the shooter in this case felt the same about his gun safety habits.

Dustbuster · Sep 28, 2014

If I ever saw Rosie odonnel in barb wire I'd ask her captor if the fatty bacon is really worth it.....if a shooter had a pic of Rosie on their weapon I would ask for someone to DQ them on a mental technicality...just sayin