DQ or no DQ, you make the call

If it's my rules, my game, then no penalties at all. The weapon cannot fire without a concerted effort to maneuver or manipulate that round into the chamber. Hell, it would be easier to accidentally make an "on safe" weapon fire than it would be to get this one to fire. Maybe if it's my rules, the shooter's penance is to tape and paint all by his lonesome and there will be a par time to get it done. One pushup per second over par time. Okay, maybe not, but it would be funny to see Taran Butler doing pushups on the Pursuit Channel.
 
I can't quote on this computer for some reason, but in reference to Jared's post about an unsupported chamber in a rifle, there's that and can you imagine a Glock trigger on an AR? I think you'd be better of with an AK.
 
After reading our rules for the Missouri 3-Gun I found they do not state what a "safe" gun is. This is definitely something to consider when I write another line or two on Monday.

Jesse, whats your view on this?
 
USPSA Multigun Rules

3.3.6.1 An abandoned firearm must be in applicable ready condition (see Section [3.1]) or empty with
no ammunition anywhere in the firearm.


5.1.1 A competitor who commits a safety infraction or any other prohibited activity during an USPSA match will
be disqualified from that match, and will be prohibited from attempting any remaining courses of fire in
that match regardless of the schedule or physical layout of the match. (A Multigun match is considered a
single match.)
 
LoganbillJ said:
After reading our rules for the Missouri 3-Gun I found they do not state what a "safe" gun is. This is definitely something to consider when I write another line or two on Monday.

Jesse, whats your view on this?
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The way Gen III and 3GN handle it is the shooter friendly way.
 
If it's "YOUR house" rules, then likely no dq becuase it is more safe than not...even with the safety NOT engaged...but that's a very grey area depending on the match officials at that point...

just Outlaw rules and up to the folks involved...not a rule book... it's a tough call for whoever had to make it
 
I wouldn't DQ I would hit him with a 20 second time pen though for unsafe handling of a firearm. I would then have his pistol looked over to make sure it is in a safe working order or ask him if he has a back up pistol. Cause for this to happen is either a failure to eject and the round just laid on top of the mag as he was ripping it out and got pinched or a failure in the operation of making a gun safe to leave and dump where the shooter just was working to fast and not checking the weapon. Over all like it was stated in this forum it is a big grey area but I think I can say we all agree this wouldn't warrant a match DQ at all unless he is found to have a unsafe gun and no way of replacing it with a back up or fixing it. Though I agree he should have a DQ for that dirty ass gun and even having a flag on it and having it that dirty double DQ. But based on how dirty it is I would almost say it is a breakage of the equipment give the shooter the benefit of the well elephant dung factor and call it a time pen.
 
Let's take it to another odd ball extreme. Say you're the MD and you walk up on this from a dumped pistol. Mag is out, chamber is empty but there is obviously a live round stuck in the gun.

What do you do as the RM?

 
2nd example - Laugh and tell the stage RO's to clean out the pistol dump bucket.
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or just shake my head & try to forget I even saw it
 
toothandnail said:
2nd example - Laugh and tell the stage RO's to clean out the pistol dump bucket.
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It's ridiculous on purpose
It's interesting to see where everyone has been drawing their line in the sand here on Enos and on Facebook.

I see a lot more rule followers then I expected out of this Alpha male gun crowd.
 
in both examples, if you were the shooter......DQ :wink:
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the question is, would you leave & make me find another ride or stick around & wait for me to finish the match?
 
LoganbillJ said:
After reading our rules for the Missouri 3-Gun I found they do not state what a "safe" gun is. This is definitely something to consider when I write another line or two on Monday.
Jesse, whats your view on this?
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I'm not willing to compromise safety to accommodate the shooter.

With that said I would have a hard time DQ'ing a shooter if their gun wasn't able to fire the round that is "in" the gun such as this. I like the 3GN rule of empty chamber or safe as well as the stage DQ or 20-30 second penalty.
 
I completely agree, safety should not be compromised. Dumb malfunctions are not reason for DQ. IMO. I have seen several instances while ROing of shotgun jams with the bolt locked to the rear with a rd on the lifter or a rd halfway out of the tube. Shooter dumps the gun and gets a stage DQ for it. I have a hard time telling the shooter he has been DQ'd for a malfunction. Most of the time the shooter dumps the gun thinking they shot it dry. Not worrying about the safety because they thought it was safe. Another reason I have changed positions from stage DQ to penalty. Correctly designed and placed dump buckets and barrels keep shooters and setters safe while the firearm is inert.
 
you guys know how that most likely happened, right?
instead of dumping the gun with the safety on, the guy most likely dropped the mag while racking the chamber clear. that round was from the mag that tried to chamber right as the mag was dropping away from it. a 9mm dingleberry.
that round was a c-hair from getting in the chamber and dumped probably with the safety off. if you guys do this rack that slide a couple times as you dump it, if you have time. either way. you should snick the safety back on anyway. if this guy would have done that, and maybe he did, then he would have known that there was something up in there.
this malf is the functional equivalent of the live round on the lifter, and if youve been around 3g long enough, we all know someone whos dq-ed by that method.

until I hear a good reason between a stage DQ and a match DQ, other than being shooter friendly to be a stage DQ, then Im for all safety related DQ's being match ones.
 
I'm fairly new to the sport, but the rules are in place for a reason. That reason is to keep everyone safe in what can possibly be an extremely dangerous environment. Weapons are required to be dumped in a safe manner to protect anyone there. A round in the gun is a round in the gun. Without a question should be a DQ. Sucks, super unlucky, but cutting hairs on whether or not it's safe is how people get hurt.
 
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