Cost of Being a Pro 3-Gun Competitor 2013

Ian Swope said:
At what point to I start practicing talking elephant dung? Do I have to just talk all the time or does it just come with the youtube and Facebook crap?
Nah, do it over at Enos and then when someone calls you on it, google their name and send them their home address in a private message, and then start acting like you knew them in college. Playing the stalker card really raises your standing within the community.
 
Ian Swope said:
At what point to I start practicing talking elephant dung? Do I have to just talk all the time or does it just come with the youtube and Facebook crap?
It's best to be born with it. I will tell a short story about the first time I shot with Phil Strader. I was maybe 2 months into pistol shooting at the okcgc uspsa match and we will just say I wasn't any good at all. We're shooting a classifier and Phil just kills it, probably shoots a 100 and on my way up to the shooting box I tell him, he might want to grab a video camera and "record this elephant dung" because I'm either going to shoot a 0 or a 100 and either way he is going to want to show this to his grand kids someday. Of course I went up there and firmly zeroed the classifier but that's not the point. The morel to the story is............. I'm not real sure there is a morel but it's a story anyway.
 
Austin T said:
Nah, do it over at Enos and then when someone calls you on it, google their name and send them their home address in a private message, and then start acting like you knew them in college. Playing the stalker card really raises your standing within the community.
That ain't funny! One time the A Hole at Fat A$$ Tactical were up to no good on OSA or OKF and I said damn dude what would (insert A Holes wife and daughters name here) think about the way you act inking and I started a elephant dung storm. Apparently A Hole didn't realize we were friends on Facebook and took serious offense to me knowing his family and the fact that he was a A Hole long before he proved it to me on the forums.
 
This dude was being an a-hole over at Enos, then when I pointed it out he apparently spent the rest of the day googling me and then implied he was going to show up at my place....I asked him to let me know when he was coming and I'd prepare a few tips on how to interact with people like a normal human being.

Also.....don't show up at my place....I'm not going to be polite and it's not going to be pretty.
 
That ain't funny! One time the A Hole at Fat Ass Tactical were up to no good on OSA or OK




I will be changing my name of Fat Roll Tactical soon so it won't be mistaken for that guy.


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Austin T said:
This dude was being an a-hole over at Enos, then when I pointed it out he apparently spent the rest of the day googling me and then implied he was going to show up at my place....I asked him to let me know when he was coming and I'd prepare a few tips on how to interact with people like a normal human being.

Also.....don't show up at my place....I'm not going to be polite and it's not going to be pretty.
Lol!
 
Austin T said:
Nah, do it over at Enos and then when someone calls you on it, google their name and send them their home address in a private message, and then start acting like you knew them in college. Playing the stalker card really raises your standing within the community.
is this a real thing? Send me links!!!
 
I updated the Original post with what I expect to spend this year to be a "pro" It keeps getting uglier. Thankfully I have a bunch of new sponsors that are helping out with a lot of the expenses. If I can shoot all 24 or 25 majors this year and not be ready to quit it will be a miracle. Just like with Burki's mom, You gotta try to go all the way al least once.
 
Jesse: As a competitive shooter, what do you think needs to change in the industry/tournaments in order to make this more lucrative/attractive for the shooters. Dont get me wrong, I completely understand the thrill of competition and adrenalin, but in the end if one wants to do this for a living, such as your self, Im sure it would be great to not only do what you love to do but to be able to reap the rewards like other pro athletes do, like NFL, NBA, etc... players?
 
Great first post!

his industry needs a sport that requires the use of firearms which is big enough to be nationally recognized outside of the industry.

The industry as a whole needs to pick a sport and take it to the level of a real professional competition much like X games, motocross, Pro Rodeo, MMA or whatever. We need enough money and resources put into something or anything to make it mainstream. Right now we have companies donating a few $1000 to hundreds of thousands of dollars USPSA, or 3-Gun, or IDPA, or Bianchi, or high power, or SASS or SCSA, or USCA or all of them and everyone else that asks for a handout which is fun but it's not getting any of us noticed outside the industry. Don't even get me started on all the tactical practical commercials I see from companies that don't spend a dollar supporting competitive shooting. In reality the shooting sports right now are all just hobby sports with little or no exposure outside of the local gun clubs website or Facebook page. As an industry we need one competition or sport that is so big, so exciting and so lucrative that the world outside of the industry takes notice. The kids playing video games set down their Call of Duty for 30-60 minutes to watch guys running and gunning for real and for a real payouts. At that point the young guys and gals coming out of high school and college will start to be willing to forgo college or that $30,000-$50,000 a year start to their career to chase their dream as a pro shooter. Most guys that make a living shooting competitively also work for a manufacture as well and there aren't many of those guys and gals out there. Right now the sport that has the most exposure and attention is 3 gun best I can tell. It has a TV show, a Pro Series, a Club Series, uses 3 different types/styles of gun and is being shown or talked about on just about every firearms related TV show I watch. Yet we still have big companies like S&W, Colt, Mossberg, Sig Sauer, Winchester, Benelli, Beretta, Daniel Defense, Bud's Gun Shop etc etc that don't even acknowledge its existence or barely have their feet in the water so to speak in support of the sport. I know several of these companies sponsor shooters and donate to matches which is great and for that are all great full but it's really not enough.

I am not ever going to be a pro in the sense that I make my living off of winning matches or trying to win matches or being paid by companies to try to win matches. But in a few years when I quit it sure would be fun to sit on the couch on Sunday afternoon, turn on Fox Sports and see a young guy like Brian Nelson who just made the Pro Series last weekend shooting for a living every week just like the guys on BASS. Sure we have the big $50,000 payout and the ladies have the ridiculously large $25,000 payout but after those two winners the next guy takes home maybe $10-20,000 a year. After that your talking $5,000 to one or two guys and then after that its barely enough money to pay your way into the matches.

I don't know how much money this will cost but it's a lot more than is being put in right now. Just think about the 2A benefits a nationally recognized sport would have too.
 
The uphill battle the shooting sports need to climb to get to the level of XGames or MMA is pretty intense. The XGames doesn't have a large, active population of people campaigning non-stop for the government banning of skateboards. Like it or not I don't think the shooting sports have a chance in this regards until the mindset of the country as a whole is changed and that's not going to be easy. Especially when there is a correlating media bias and active suppression of facts in some cases.
 
Ian Swope said:
The uphill battle the shooting sports need to climb to get to the level of XGames or MMA is pretty intense. The XGames doesn't have a large, active population of people campaigning non-stop for the government banning of skateboards. Like it or not I don't think the shooting sports have a chance in this regards until the mindset of the country as a whole is changed and that's not going to be easy. Especially when there is a correlating media bias and active suppression of facts in some cases.
I agree 100%. We aren't going to get red bull, Ford, or other non endemic sponsors on board until it's so big they can't afford not to be involved. To get an industry sport to be at that level it's going to take the entire industry pushing this thing to the forefront not just the few companies we see on the 3 Gun Nation website. Just think how much more things would grow if everyone was doing what Stag, FNH, Surefire, Federal, Samson, Freedom Group, cheaper than dirt have done. Those companies are probably putting $100,000-500,000 a year or more into 3 gun. We just need more companies to follow suit.
 
The shooting sports will never make mainstream status for many reasons.

The first of which is that the folks that are mostly in control of the media are not fans of firearms and will not promote anything to do with them, unless of course it has to do with the lastest action movie coming out. I think many view us as monsters for teaching our kids how to shoot 3 gun, because they think we are raising them to be killers.

Second is accessability. Most sports that are popular can be done when we are kids. Over half of our population lives in metro areas and they can't just pick up a gun (legally), go outside in the driveway or backyard, and practice gun games, but they can grab a skateboard or some sort of ball and play all day.

Which brings me to the third reason...cost. This sport is expensive! I have two sons that shoot with me but I don't have the money to buy enough ammunition to keep them interested or help them improve enough to be as competitive as they would like to be and they have lost interest.

Fourth...I have been shooting and competing for 30+ years and love it dearly, but watching others shoot a match is quite boring. Sorry but its true! After watching the super squad this last fall at Prodution Nats run though a stage it was impossible to know who won the stage by just watching...everyone pretty much looked the same. At least in golf you can see who hit the ball the farther or made a long put.

I personally am very thankful that the folks in the industry spend so much money promoting and sponsoring the shooting sports, because in today's political climate I don't think they really need to. Americans are buying firearms and ammunition at a record pace and the shooting sports has nothing to do with it.
 
I don't think cost is as much an issue as you might think. Getting kids into motocross, cycling or hockey can be every bit as expensive as shooting. I think the non-shooting public perception is the biggest obstacle. There is a very large portion of the population who truly believe that the only reason for owning a gun is killing and no amount of education is going to overcome that. I've met more than a few people who have told me repeatedly that they will always be anti-gun because guns are designed for killing and there is no other use. You can show these types of folks the statistics, you can show them families having fun shooting or hunting, you can show them USPSA or 3Gun competitions and it's no use. They believe that competition is just practice for getting good at killing. I don't know of any other sport where there is anyone who has that perception about it.
 
I do agree with the accessibility factor, though. I know I'm an extreme case since I live in a very large, very anti-gun city, but just to use this as an example, it's very difficult to get out to a range that doesn't require a long drive and planning a whole day around it. Where I live there are zero gun shops, zero ranges, zero gun related anything. To compete, for example, I have to drive an hour to a club in Indiana and this type of commitment is more than most are willing to engage in for a hobby.
 
Ian Swope said:
Getting kids into motocross, cycling or hockey can be every bit as expensive as shooting.
That's very true...I used to race road bikes(cycling) when I lived in Milwaukee and the crashes were very expensive! Having said that none of the sports you listed are in my opinion very popular in the country as a whole, although maybe more fun to watch on TV.
 
Media is a big hurdle but money can climb any mountain.

Accessibility? How many people have snowmobiles or can get in an MMA ring? For a sport to be popular all you need us something cool for people to watch.

As far as being boring to watch I agree with that. 3GN is still trying to find the best way to show their content. I don't think it's just showing guys running around shooting fast. It needs drama and excitement and stuff regular shooters can't go do themselves. Like hit 500' home runs or 450 yard drives. Heck hunting shows are super Boring and the ending is always the same but they are crazy popular.

Something I failed to mention that goes along with your accessibility is lack of matches. Then when your club does have a match it's once a month or even less frequent. So I guess a lot of the growth needs to happen at the grass roots levels too.
 
I know we are drifting a bit here...but have you ever thought what it would be like if the sport did get crazy popular and there was a lot of money to be had? We would have young fast super athletic kids with great eyesight kicking the crap out of almost everyone in the sport today...ah except Jesse and maybe Horner... :D
 
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