Break in

Dayman

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Please for given my ignorance. I am new to auto pistols. My first purchase was over a year ago, I bought a CZ P-01. Right out of the box this gun has been great, accurate, smooth, several hundred rounds with no issues. Recently I purchased a S&W shield 9mm and through 150 rounds have had three to four failure to ejects. Is it common for a breaking in period for the gun to function properly. I have stripped and cleaned but I do tend to over oil, could this be the issue? Admittedly all the ammo has been low quality ball 115 fmj. Should I run some hotter stuff through it for a while. I have read on other interwebz that some guns do require "break in" particularly kel tec. Is this true? Thanks for the education. This is a planned carry gun and as of right now I do not trust it with min or my families life but am willing to work with it cause is a darn good shooter.
 
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Dayman,

I would not carry until you have zero issues with your firearm. Some firearms do have a break in. My sig needed it with 22lr ammo. Took about 150-200 rds to run through it. Now I trust it. Every firearm is different, stay away from the Walmart ammo but if you do buy some there, absolutely no steel cased whatsoever. It can cause burrs in your chamber if that happens, go to DandR gunsmith ing to get it fixed.

Do not over oil. It will cake up. Whether you try mine or another brand, make sure it is running smoothly.

J
 
If the gun is a quality piece and is made correctly there will be no break-in period.

If the gun is made by computers then you will likely have to "break-in" (read: make the gun beat itself into proper spec.) the weapon before it is worthy of leaving a firing range.

The S&W Shield is of the latter group. It is like a Kel-Tec PF9. It is designed to be small, chambered in a "non-mouse" pistol cartridge, and taken to the range two times before it is carried daily and never shot again. It is a CCW gun for someone that doesn't know how to, or feel like, CCWing a larger, better gun. Don't expect it to work like a Sig, HK or Glock. It isn't made for those kinds of gun owners that expect such things.
 
well thats your opinion and i disagree.

every couple of days i fire a couple of mags from my Shield in the yard. in a few months it might be something else im carrying.

it could take some time to get around to them but i dont have any im putting away and never firing again.

i do have a Baby Eagle, 40 cal, all metal, new in box, never fired.
 
Tigerstripe said:
well thats your opinion and i disagree.

every couple of days i fire a couple of mags from my Shield in the yard. in a few months it might be something else im carrying.

it could take some time to get around to them but i dont have any im putting away and never firing again.

i do have a Baby Eagle, 40 cal, all metal, new in box, never fired.


What you do in your isolated existence is irrelevant to the reality that the gun in question is not designed to be extensively fired and is not reliable out of the box.
 
Disagreement over whether or not the S&W is a "quality" weapon aside, Dayman admitted he was using "low quality" ammo. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with 115gr FMJ, especially for affordable practice but the particular manufacturer might not have loaded the rounds to minimum acceptable pressure for this particular weapon. If by "low quality" ammo he means UMC, they are generally decent rounds but he could be using some other ammo. Chamber pressures and guide spring tensions are carefully engineered and require a minimum pressure to function reliably. Dayman-it is generally accepted that most weapons "prefer" a specific cartridge so I would recommend trying a box each of high quality ammo and ensure your pistol functions flawlessly. Over or under lubricating likely would not affect FTE issues, but proper lubrication should be done per your owner's manual. Though not knowledgeable about your pistol, most require only three to four drops of oil in the right places (on the exterior of the barrell in a free-float design, and a drop on each side of the frame where the slide and frame contact). More than that is unnecessary.

I'm assuming you can shoot a pistol as you already have another, but a firm grip is also necessary. I've seen some shooters who grip a pistol so loosely that it causes FTF or FTEject problems. This is actually called "limp wristing" (no jokes please) and is the number 1 cause of FTE in pistols. When the slide is forced backwards by the gasses of the previous round, the momentum can be lost if the energy is consumed throwing the pistol backwards into the loose grip of the shooter. FTEject is different than FTExtract which is more of a mechanical issue. Just a thought. Keep us posted and good luck. IMHO S&W makes quality firearms and your pistol should be reliable. Should it not respond properly to use of quality ammunition, send it back to them for inspection.

P.S.-in the General thread, look at all the forum users who swear by P-1 ammo (and who replied to you above). He even sounds like the kind of guy you could call to give you SAAMI specs on 9mm and discuss chamber pressures.
 
The ammo in question was 100 rounds of blazer brass 115 fmj and 50 rounds of an unfamiliar brand of ammo purchased at an indoor range at around the same price point as the blazer (green and white box with cursive writting didnt pay attention to the name) (i know prices are all over the place but considered price an indicator of the quality, to a degree.) I tend to over grip on trigger pull with most shots hitting the six to seven o'clock, while wife hits 12 to 1 o'clock with a lighter grip. We both experienced FTE so I dont think it was so much the grip. I think i will try to run some speer lawman 115 gr or 147 gr (if i can find any) through or i know of a local store that sells the precision one but is a short drive. I am defenatly going to put some horniday critical defense (because i already have some) and will probably be my defense round. Thanks for all the info given, like i said no panic yet just figured a gun in this price range would be good to go out of the box. I can't speak to the quality of the shield based on experience but seems to be getting rave reviews from both paid and unpaid review on the interwebz (mabey i am a sucker for marketing, gotta learn some where). I dont shoot daily but like to try and shoot monthy at least 50-100 rounds, in a pressure situation i want to know im on target and I not going to get that feeling plinking 22lr or shooting my p-01, i don't expect to be knocking out bulls eyes with this gun but do need to know its going to perform. 200 rounds and on a shelf is not going to happen with an weapon expected to protect me or my family.
 
Have you read my post that is a couple down the page from this one.

It is a range report on the M&P Shield. I had one and did a lot of firing to test the gun.

I found that "MY GUN" liked 147 grain ammo. That is what I broke it in with. The first 200 rounds. It performed with no problems...None. When I traded it to a friend, the pistol had close to 1000 rounds thru it. It was very reliable. It was a carry gun in every sense of the word.

I have just bought my second one. I missed the first one, so, I replaced it.

You need to quit with junk ammo. P1 always has the hot ammo. It just works. Get some good ammo...Not Wold or some junk like that. Throw that junk ammo you bought at the range away.

You are betting your and your families lives on a $12.00 box of ammo....I don't think I would.

Get good ammo and put 500 rounds thru it...You will find it is all you need...

Steve
 
Steve, Thanks for the tip, i did read some of your thread, i'll go back a little further. I stopped by one of my favorite gun stores and luckily they had got some 9mm in this morning. Picked up 20 rounds of 147 grain federal hydro shock for 20$ (I would love to run more to breaking but 1$ a pop is a little to high and with that amount i could trade the gun and cash for a kimber) and 100 rounds of armscor 124 gr for 28$ (highest grain for ball they had) Tough thing about being picky about ammo now is just finding it for reasonable prices or finding it in general. One day I'm gonna have to hit joe up and try his precision one ammo, i've got a little money tied up in an ar build right now but as soon as that is over I'm gonna get back to stocking 9mm so i'll save up for a bulk buy. I'll try to get a range report this weekend when i get some more time to shoot. Matt
 
I have to admit. Most of what I shoot at the range is 9mm. I bought it by the thousand last summer. I was buying Augile 147 grain delivered to my house for $214.00...I stocked up.

You can't buy it for now at that price. That is what I broke my frist Shield in with, and, that is what will be going in this one...when I get a chance to shoot it...

Steve
 
Avtomat-Acolyte said:
Tigerstripe said:
well thats your opinion and i disagree.

every couple of days i fire a couple of mags from my Shield in the yard. in a few months it might be something else im carrying.

it could take some time to get around to them but i dont have any im putting away and never firing again.

i do have a Baby Eagle, 40 cal, all metal, new in box, never fired.


What you do in your isolated existence is irrelevant to the reality that the gun in question is not designed to be extensively fired and is not reliable out of the box.

i think you are full of crap.

in my existense i visit this site to correspond with nice like minded people. your opinion of my existence is irrelevent and sounds like you arent nice.

as far as its design and reliability out of the box, like i said thats your opinion and i disagree.
 
well back to the range today. ran through 50 rounds of armscor 124 gr. 9mm. Gun ran great. I think the problems was limp wristing. I suck at shooting this gun. However wife is dead nuts at 25 yards. Great as this is her carry. Now I have to pick mine. Thinking a XSD in 9
 
Avtomat-Acolyte said:
What you do in your isolated existence is irrelevant to the reality that the gun in question is not designed to be extensively fired and is not reliable out of the box.
You need to take your midol before posting.

You are correct in that the pocket pistols need a break-in of 200-500 rounds or to be lapped in with 1000 grit compound.
Any semi-auto I carry has at least 500 rounds through it. Or hand lapped by a gunsmith (in case of the LCP/LC9, if I had one)

Tigerstripe said:
i think you are full of crap.

in my existense i visit this site to correspond with nice like minded people. your opinion of my existence is irrelevent and sounds like you arent nice.

as far as its design and reliability out of the box, like i said thats your opinion and i disagree.
Tiger, anything you need to trust your life with needs to be broken in.
Just because you had an excellent Shield out of the box does not mean they all are. I had a 6.5G bolt shear two lugs off after 17 rounds. This doesn't mean that all 6.5G bolts are crap, just the one I got. It goes both ways. :)
 
A little green and white box with cursive writing sounds like Sellier and Bellot from the Czech Republic. I've always had good luck with it.
 
Don't over oil. Over oiling collects crud and can gum up the works, leading to issues. A light coating is all that is needed, a little grease on the rails doesn't hurt either.

As to ammo, some guns are just picky eaters. Especially early on. Try some different brands of ammo and see if you have the same issue with all of them.

As to break in, it's debatable if it is "needed". I generally say that any firearm should have a couple hundred rounds of FMJ put down range to break things in, but that it should function fine from the start also. This gives the contact points a chance to smooth into each other and the springs to break in a bit. And gives you some reference that it functions as it should. After you have a good track record established with FMJ, a couple boxes of good quality carry ammo to verify it feeds well with them. It should fu

If you correct the over lubrication issue and try some different brands of ammo it still doesn't function properly give S&W a call.
 


I Started this thread because I was having a time with my shield... Well after a few range trips I think I finally feel 100% confident with this gun. 50 round group at 21 ft. About 400 rounds with out any failures and one cleaning. :D
 
That's some good shooting. You now have confidence in your carry piece and have evidence (target + rounds fired without malfunction) that you have selected a good gun.
 
FWIW, My Kahr recommended a minimum of 200 rounds before trusting the gun. I had problem for maybe the first 100 rounds. My Les Baer recommends at lease 500 rounds through it before it's suppose to be reliable and I've never had an issue with it, so some guns need a break in period. As for the shield, I would try a few boxes of quality defense ammo and if its still giving you problems sell it.
 
Love my shield. Excellent gun. Almost 1k rounds and no problems with factory ammo, even cheap shiat. Had some FTE with my own reloads (subsonic 9mm loads for another gun) but anything commercial it ate up. I do not carry reloads; range only. For carry, I like to run 124 grain FMJ and Federal HST.

Hornady CD has been maligned some for lack of expansion from short barrels and feeding issues with the cone shape instead of an ogive. There is a youtube video series where a guy shoots a bunch of defensive ammo through a small pistol, look that up. IMHO, if your gun feeds it OK then there isn't an issue. My Shield feeds truncated cones just fine; my Ruger P89 does not. So YMMV.

Avtomat is just miffed that we don't all carry G17s or 1911s with us everywhere, including the bath :)
 
rotarymike said:
Avtomat is just miffed that we don't all carry G17s or 1911s with us everywhere, including the bath :)

This is true. Glock sets the standard for reliability out of the box.

In all seriousness, I just think it is a flaw for a gun to require break-in. That being said, I also own guns that require "break-in" to loosen up their inferior, computer-designed, robot-machined parts until the gun can safely knock itself into a looser, more reliable fit.
 
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