Back door gun control

[thebrasilian]

Please ignore his pink shirt. It's rather bright in the video. But this is an important time to us gun owners. Dick explains this very well on how this treaty could affect us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZeJpXLs ... e=youtu.be

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Just wrote both our (SC) Senators urging them to vehemently oppose. Will you join me and do the same?

 

[Midnight Raver]

Unbelievable- people are equated as future terrorists if they worry about their civil liberties and national sovereignty, yet maneuvers like this are allowable for our leaders?

 

[John Canuck]

Just wrote both our (SC) Senators urging them to vehemently oppose. Will you join me and do the same?

Done months ago. This will go nowhere, but writing a nice letter to Senators and Representatives doesn't hurt anyway.

 

[Enjay]

Other than scuttlebutt on forums and gun blogs all I could quickly find that seems reliably factual was this from FactCheck.org that debunks it (sort of):
http://factcheck.org/2012/06/still-no-international-gun-ban-treaty/
and this from the NRA:
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/f...ms-trade-treaty.aspx?s="U.N.+Gun+Ban"&st=&ps=

It looks as though what they're aiming to do is regulate the import/export of firearms and possibly foreign made ammunition but not domestic sales or transfer, and that the Senate is opposed to the treaty and has the final word on it. Sounds like contacting the Senators and letting them know your point of view is the way to go on this one, especially considering how much of our ammunition and our guns are made over seas. I'd like to see more US manufacturers making guns and ammunition on US soil again, but I don't want that to happen because we can't get our merchandise from overseas any more.

Something else I read in the NRA article was a quote from a statement by the UN:

the U.N.'s Universal Declaration of Human Rights recognizes a person's "right" to "rest and leisure," "to enjoy the arts," and "to . . . cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality," but doesn't recognize the right of individuals to possess the means to defend themselves. For protection, the declaration says, people should rely instead upon "international order" and the declaration's proclamation that people "should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."

Yeah. Because International order will stop the bad guys at my property line, and in the spirit of brotherhood I should hand over my wallet, keys, and body so the rights and dignity of the criminal culture are preserved. :roll:

 

[fiundagner]

Not to sound to paranoid or conspiracy nutist but even if it does not limit internal sales and transfers it will still have a major impact. How many of our rifles come from overseas (Mossin Nagant, WW2 Mausers, the always dreaded AK)? Even a lot of what the CMP sells is coming from overseas stockpiles these days. We sold M1?s to other country, and when they phased them out and sold em back to us. How much ammo comes from overseas (Spam cans of 7.62 x 54, 7.62 x 51 NATO battle packs, Russian steel case ammo for everything from .223 to .40, and some extra, 30-06 made in Greece, etc etc etc)? What about reloading supplies? I have to order .303 brass from England, cause no one over here actually makes it, they just order and resell it. What about reloading components? How many of you buy primers or powder that are actually made overseas, then shipped in and resold? What about really base products, like brass sheets made in china specifically for case presses? Would those count as ?components??

Sorry, my paranoid side escaped there for a minute. I?m sure our federal government would never do anything that might seem to be less than the best interest of gun owners. In other news I?m planning to watch a movie tonight. I am in the mood for that racing movie with Vin Diesel in it. What was the name of that movie again?

I am not even going to dignify ?act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood? with a response

 

[thebrasilian]

Brands that could be affected:
Glock
Taurus
Accuracy International
Benelli
FN
H&K
Holland & Holland
Mauser
SAKO
Sellier & Bellot
Steyr
Stoeger
Walther
Webley & Scott
And many others! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mo ... ufacturers

 

[urbancommandox]

Fn would still be made at there plant here in sc wouldn't they? And all glocks would be made in there Georgia factory a d marked USA instead of just some of them wouldn't they?

 

[thebrasilian]

FN Columbia is mostly a contrat machine house. They don't manufacture guns to often. I'm not a glock guy so I thought they were still made in germany.

 

[craigp]

This arms treaty goes far beyond our owning guns. It affects us nationally as it attemps to reduce military in number and armament. There's lots of noble talk about reduction of nuclear and bio-weapons as well. Basically it seeks to strip all major powers of their own armed forces so the UN is the only peacekeeping force in the world. It is far more sinsiter in nature than what has been posted about personal gun ownership. This treaty is a threat to national security.

 

[Treedodger]

....This treaty is a threat to national security.

I believe the UN itself is the single greatest threat to our national security. Much more so than any single country could ever be. This treaty is just a foot in the door and only the beginning. I sent letters once again. Please contact our Senators to oppose. GOA has a pre-written letter if you wish to use or edit then send.

This is the UN's version of gun control laws and will work as well as they do on a national level, not at all. Only well meaning legitimate democracies will follow and all the criminal rogue states will continue doing whatever serves their interests whether selling or buying.

 

[Schultz]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

 

[Tigerstripe]

Just wrote both our (SC) Senators urging them to vehemently oppose. Will you join me and do the same?

Done months ago. This will go nowhere, but writing a nice letter to Senators and Representatives doesn't hurt anyway.

so how does the guy in the pink shirt know that hillary and obammy will sign on the 27th of july?

 

[Treedodger]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

The ultimate goal of the UN is complete disarmament. It obviously does not mention the 2nd Ammendment by name, and I am not directing this at Obama, but here are the facts. The UN believes the source of weapons for the illicit trade is ultimately tracked back to the legal trade, so the legal trade must be curtailed or halted in order to control illegal trades. The bold is mine for emphasis, but in the words of the UN "...this applies to ALL classes of weapons. In addition to nuclear they believe that "...the human and material cost of conventional weapons is also extreme. Of at least 640 million licensed firearms worldwide, roughly two thirds are in the hands of CIVIL society. The legal trade in small arms and weapons exceeds $4 billion a year. The illicit trade is estimated at $1 billion".

Another excerpt from their site..."Since the birth of the United Nations, the goals of multilateral disarmament and arms limitation have been deemed CENTRAL to the maintenance of international peace and security. These goals range from reducing and eventually eliminating nuclear weapons, destroying chemical weapons and strengthening the prohibition against biological weapons, to halting the proliferation of landmines, SMALL ARMS and light weapons".

If your not worried yet, here is the scary part...'''Established in September 2003, the United Nations Mission in Liberia (UNMIL) was charged with assisting in the disarmament, demobilization, reintegration and repatriation of all armed parties. The process was launched in December. Within 12 months, nearly 100,000 Liberians had turned in guns, ammunition, rocket-propelled grenades and other weapons. On 3 November 2004, Liberia?s warring militias formally disbanded in a ceremony at UNMIL headquarters in Monrovia. By the end of February 2006, more than 300,000 internally displaced Liberians had been returned to their home villages. After 15 years of conflict, the people turned out in massive numbers for UN-assisted elections in 2005, electing Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf as President.

"UN Peacekeeping also employs the strategy of preventive disarmament, which seeks to reduce the number of small arms ...as well as collecting and destroying their weapons as part of an overall peace agreement".

Food for thought. Please read their official policy at UN.ORG website for yourself:

http://www.un.org/en/globalissues/disar ... ndex.shtml

 

[John Canuck]

Just wrote both our (SC) Senators urging them to vehemently oppose. Will you join me and do the same?

Done months ago. This will go nowhere, but writing a nice letter to Senators and Representatives doesn't hurt anyway.

so how does the guy in the pink shirt know that hillary and obammy will sign on the 27th of july?

I don't know, but my guess is that it's a guess. The 27th is when they are scheduled to wrap up.

 

[LiveFreeorDie]

Snopes debunked the whole UN ATT scare as "False", but now I'm wondering if the Snopes folks (yes, there must be actual people running that site) are anti-gun themselves and controlling the message much as the liberal main stream media do. Because, this story is still being reported by numerous "reliable" sources. One example:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/

 

[Treedodger]

Snopes debunked the whole UN ATT scare as "False", but now I'm wondering if the Snopes folks (yes, there must be actual people running that site) are anti-gun themselves and controlling the message much as the liberal main stream media do. Because, this story is still being reported by numerous "reliable" sources. One example:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/

I haven't seen any evidence that snopes is biased, but I also think it would be unwise to dismiss the UN's threat. To simply believe the UN Arms treaty must not pose any threat because this email was debunked is irrational logic at best.

The scare is real though. Snopes only dealt with a single email which was obviously untrue at the time since no one knows even now what is written into the treaty (the drafting of this treaty has been conducted in total secrecy). But that does not change the UN's ideology or mean the UN has no plans to carry out it's disarmament policy and utimately control gun regulation in the US. The facts are that the UN believes disarmament is necessary to peace and Obama supports a UN gun treaty as the administration publicly stated in 2009. Sarah Brady has also stated that the President told her that he is carrying out his gun control agenda "under the radar".

http://www.examiner.com/article/sarah-b ... un-control

It's hard to take any comfort that snopes debunked one fraudulent email while there exists public record of both the UN and Obama's desire to regulate firearms despite any Constitutional guarantees. The artful sidestepping of our Constitutional rights seems to be in vogue lately so why would this be hard for anyone to believe? The outside control of our domestic affairs all in the name of anti-terrorism and world peace is a made to order anti-gun solution that allows complete blame on the UN.

 

[Parhams0508]

Anyone read Matthew Bracken's Enemies Foreign and Domestic? The catalyst of the book's events centered around a power hungry BATFE who decided that starting an anti-gun conspiracy was a wise thing to do. Prior to their initiation of their coupe d'etat, the American government wrote into law numerous pieces of firearm and surveillance legislation to monitor for "domestic terrorism."

If anyone who has read this book, you're probably sharing my same sense of eerie de ja vue right about now.

 

[Tigerstripe]

so tell me guys, what do we do when we wake up to the news report that we MUST take all firearms immediatly to the local destruction site?

 

[thebrasilian]

Molon Labe!!