Anyone have any ideas about dealing with trespassers?

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I've been trying to help my mother deal with the trespassers on a real estate development on 122nd and County Line recently. Gates, signs, and the OKCPD have proven not to be viable solutions. They like to fish in the pond there, which isn't so bad, but the construction materials theft, beer cans, used condoms, spent fireworks, grass fires, burnout contests, dumped refrigerators, and 4 wheeling are all making it really hard to sell lots.

I'm open to suggestions, right now we're thinking it's just going to require hiring 24/7 security, probably need to be armed since shooting at crap is also on the fun list for these retards.
 
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.308 and a good scope should do the trick.

You're probably going to have to hang out there and scare people off a few nights a week.
 
Matt Rigsby said:
.308 and a good scope should do the trick.

You're probably going to have to hang out there and scare people off a few nights a week.
Most people who come out are really pretty civil about it. The pond has been there for years and I'm sure these people have been fishing it for a while. Had a guy last night ask me who the f*** I was to tell him where he could and could not fish. Some people are really amazing.

PM me with the contact info, please.
 
I have to deal with Trespassers/road hunters on almost a daily basis during hunting season in Oklahoma. I know this may not be the help your looking for, but this is all I have.

The Oklahoma laws are almost a joke. Until 2008, anybody could enter anybodys property if it wasn't posted and wasn't occupied.
Occupied meant living on the land, being farmed, or fenced. A delapidated fence that was not maintained showed it was not occupied.

Different organizations have tried to increase the fines, and increase the penatalies, but have been beat back by an organization, I'll just refer to as the "coon hunters".

Its a Political Organization that has a lot of influence over state legislators. They fight tougher laws, and I won't name them on this forum but if you want to know, send me a pm.

Penalties were increased in 2008, but its still a joke. A friend of mine that is a Game Warden stoppped a guy last year from Arkansas for road hunting. His fine was $250. When he left, he told the GW it was the cheapest lease he ever had and would be back. Been trespassing for 10 years without being caught.

The only resourse the GW has is if they take game while trespassing, then it becomes very expensive. New Okla law says you not only have to pay the fine, but replace the animal you shot. Depending on the animal, it could be $20,000.00 like the guy in Osage county had to pay for an Buffalo he poached from a private ranch. Trophy buck can run around $5K.

Here is the Jist of the current law:
HB 2984, the trespass reform bill championed by the Oklahoma Farm Bureau, has been signed into law by the governor and will become effective on November 1. What does that mean for private property owners? How does this law apply? Who is affected? Who is not?

The new trespass law clearly states that whoever willfully enters the private land of another that is primarily devoted to farming, ranching, or forestry purposes, without permission by the owner or occupant shall be guilty of trespass. This means that anyone entering private agriculture land must have permission to enter, or he or she is trespassing. The landowner is no longer required to post or to prove the land was posted for “no trespassing,” but it is not a bad idea to leave your signs up as an extra deterrent.

The law does not apply to peace officers or federal, state or local government employees while performing their official duties; or to firefighters, emergency medical personnel or public utility employees addressing an emergency; or to parties engaged in oil and gas operations acting under a legal agreement, permit or order. Basically, law enforcement and others working to assist the public are not trespassing when they enter private agricultural land to carry out their official duties.

Others who may enter such land, unless forbidden to do so by the owner or occupant are: registered land surveyors to perform their services; persons in the sole process of retrieving their livestock or animals; persons making a delivery, selling a product or service, conducting a survey or poll or working on behalf of a political candidate or who otherwise have a legitimate reason for entering and immediately upon entering seek to conduct that business. This means that those who can show a legal or lawful reason to be on the property will not be considered trespassers, unless they had been told not to enter by the landowner.

The fine for trespassing remains the same under the new law at $250; however, a provision was added that anyone who enters private agricultural land and commits or attempts to commit waste, theft or damage, upon conviction, shall be fined not less than $50 nor more than $500 or sentenced to county jail for not less than thirty days nor more than six months, or both fined and imprisoned. Therefore, while the fine remains $250, a trespasser who damages or destroys property, for example, by dumping trash or cutting a fence, could be fined between $50 and $500 dollars and sent to county jail.

Finally, the law specifically places the burden of proof on the trespasser by stating that it shall be an affirmative defense to prosecution that the accused had express or implied permission or legal authority to be on the property. Express permission may be an oral or written statement from the landowner, while implied permission may consist of permission granted through a friend or relative who had permission from the landowner. Legal authority includes those with an easement or right-of-way to enter or cross property.

In summary, the burden is no longer on the landowner to prove the land was posted for no trespassing. The burden has shifted to the person entering the property to prove he or she had permission to enter the property.

Trespassers beware. Thanks to the Oklahoma Farm Bureau and a number of key legislators, as of November 1, 2006, entering agricultural land without permission IS TRESPASSING.
 
I have been told that claymores work rather well! there is a chance that one of the decent folks might trip a wire but hey still trespassing. I do recall a sign back down by Sparks that said "Welcome! see if you can find the landmines" ya know I knew it was BS but I'll be damned if I ever even thought about going over there. The only real way I could think of would be to have someone there all the time. Either way trespassers are stealing. Good luck! Later,

Kirk
 
Kirk Smith (ksmirk) said:
I have been told that claymores work rather well!
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Looks like Dennis has it covered. I was going to suggest making a few 6' dirt piles and putting grave markers out. My sister in law came over after I had dumped some dirt in the back yard and asked my wife " Who does he have buried there?" Needless to say I am not her favorite person.
 
Put up a sign "Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be violated." JK We had a similar problem. We made a large gate with a chain across it. They just drove around it. What stopped them was a 12 in piece of 3/8 cold rolled round steel. 6 in with a 90 deg bend sideways. 3 in with another 90 deg bend back up. Drove them cross the road they made every 6 in. I suspect several tires were ruined. It took about a month, then no more parties.
 
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