.410 shotguns

Parhams0508 · Jun 22, 2012

Who has one? Who likes it? Would you consider this a decent caliber/gauge for shotguns?

The reason I was asking is because I have a love for the Savage Model 24 after watching Discovery's Out of the Wild: Alaska. They used the .22LR/.410 over/under model, and I kept thinking to myself, "I wouldn't mind owning one of those! But what about that .410 gauge?"

I know from shopping that the shells are awfully expensive when compared to their 20 and 12 gauge brethren, but I love the idea of having lots of light-weight ammo.

I know that finding a Model 24 would be kinda hard, and very expensive, but Savage is revamping this as the Model 42: synthetic stock, .22LR or .22WMR over .410 gauge. I like the idea of this as a backpack/truck gun.

bigfutz · Jun 22, 2012

The best thing about .410 is it's compatability with .45 Colt (Long Colt). Which opens up opportunities to develop products such as the Judge and my personal favorite:
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=15

And yes, those shells are expensive! But is a perfect match for small game and from what I have heard in the right hands clays.

Parhams0508 · Jun 22, 2012

bigfutz said:
The best thing about .410 is it's compatability with .45 Colt (Long Colt). Which opens up opportunities to develop products such as the Judge and my personal favorite:
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=15

And yes, those shells are expensive! But is a perfect match for small game and from what I have heard in the right hands clays.

You really like those circuit judges? Huh, I'd have to try one out.

We have the Judge as a back-up gun at work, and I like the Winchester Defender PDX1 rounds, but not any birdshot. I dunno, the Judge only seems reasonable with buckshot or those Winchester discs.

With slugs and .45 Colt, could you not take down larger game like white tail deer?

bigfutz · Jun 22, 2012

I just remember seeing a revolving rifle in a movie... I think it was The Jackal w/ Bruce Willis, but i can't find a picture of it anywhere! I guess I'll have to watch it again.

beerman · Jun 25, 2012

swiss said:
REvolving longarms burn your forearm too badly and too often. The 410 has no realistic role at all. Kids should not be taught with a shotgun. the recoil is too severe for the young, and they need to be learning the .22 rifle and the pistol, not learning to flinch as the shotgun will teach them to do. Shotgun triggers and "sights" teach the novice to be sloppy, which is not what you wish to do.

You seem like a very smart person. Maybe you could tell me what else I have done wrong. You could also let my dad know that he should not have taught me how to shoot a shotgun with his old single shot .410.

I guess the .410 wasn't realistic for all those birds, squirrels, and rabbits I shot while hunting with my dad. :roll:

DRTRAYDEUCE · Jun 25, 2012

I have the H&R survivor , It shoots .410 .45LC and with an insert .22LR . No one will convince me this is not a usable rifle.

Parhams0508 · Jun 26, 2012

DRTRAYDEUCE said:
I have the H&R survivor , It shoots .410 .45LC and with an insert .22LR . No one will convince me this is not a usable rifle.

Your .22LR insert, is it rifled or simply a tube? And where did you get it? I have an old H&R Topper Model 88 in 12 gauge that I wanted to get for it an insert machined, but I dunno where to go in the upstate for it....

LiveFreeorDie · Jun 26, 2012

swiss said:
The 410 has no realistic role at all. Kids should not be taught with a shotgun. the recoil is too severe for the young, and they need to be learning the .22 rifle and the pistol, not learning to flinch as the shotgun will teach them to do. Shotgun triggers and "sights" teach the novice to be sloppy, which is not what you wish to do.

I'm with you beerman. Learning to shoot, skeet of all things, with a breech loading single shot practically antique .410 and to shoot well, at the age of 12 was the absolute WRONG thing to do! Hunting with it was also a complete waste of time, I guess. Learning to shoot with such a useless weapon has nothing to do with my marksmanship skills today. I really hate to tell my dad he taught me poorly and with the wrong guns. For that matter, now that I know my entire youth was a waste of time, I'm depressed!

Parhams0508 · Jun 26, 2012

LiveFreeorDie said:
swiss said:

The 410 has no realistic role at all. Kids should not be taught with a shotgun. the recoil is too severe for the young, and they need to be learning the .22 rifle and the pistol, not learning to flinch as the shotgun will teach them to do. Shotgun triggers and "sights" teach the novice to be sloppy, which is not what you wish to do.

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I'm with you beerman. Learning to shoot, skeet of all things, with a breech loading single shot practically antique .410 and to shoot well, at the age of 12 was the absolute WRONG thing to do! Hunting with it was also a complete waste of time, I guess. Learning to shoot with such a useless weapon has nothing to do with my marksmanship skills today. I really hate to tell my dad he taught me poorly and with the wrong guns. For that matter, now that I know my entire youth was a waste of time, I'm depressed!

Please, don't piss Swiss off. Lol.

I have to say, though, completely off topic, you guys had great upbringings if your fathers let you shoot. My dad didn't even own a gun until about a year ago. My older brother was the person who got me into shooting. Bought me a tactical Benelli Supernova 12 gauge as my first gun. Only shot it a couple of times (whenever I went to my friend's farm).

DRTRAYDEUCE · Jun 26, 2012

Parhams0508 the insert is rifled and I got it off E-bay for 20 bucks its made by short lane
http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-GAUGE-TO-22- ... 231eb83f1e

bigfutz · Nov 19, 2014

Francklen said:
I find the .410 to be a fun shell to shoot. I have the Bond Arms Snake Slayer IV and shooting High Brass 3? shells is an experience to remember! I also have a Mossberg .410 pump w/Hogue pistol grip & 18.5? barrel; lots of fun! To round off the .410 collection, I have a Saiga .410 with an ATI Talon/Scorpion pistol and 15 round magazine. I believe that with #4 buck or better, that this is a reasonable home defense weapon that is plenty accurate within that realm.

I'd like to see the pattern from the Bond, say at 10'. Got any pics? I shot a 22 shotshell from a Derringer at a cereal box from about 5' and it completely covered it.

tucker · Dec 18, 2014

I love the .410. Have several, single shot, double barrel, bolt action 4 shot. My son learned to shoot on the bolt action. He dropped as many doves with it as I did with my 12 guage. I always take a .410 when we go squirrel hunting. Shells are more expense, but it is what I learned to shoot on also.

Huges · Mar 27, 2015

I own two of the .22/.410 over-unders, one a .22WMR and one a .22LR. Both group .410 slugs very well out to 40-50 yards, with either grouping 5 into an area that could be covered by the palm of the hand, and that counts the Brennekes as well as the Russian Silver Bear and the various American factory loads. Would they be a first choice for taking deer-sized game or defense? Absolutely not. Would they work if need be? Assuredly.