drmitchgibson
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It seems like whenever I review 2011s, they're almost all finished blued or hard chromed, and one or maybe two can be had in stainless, all factory guns. I wonder why this is.
2011 finishes-why not stainless?
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brandt9913
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Because STI only sells frames and slides in carbon steel and not stainless
aeropb
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thats weak
brandt9913
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I don't see stainless glocks. But no one seems to complain about that.
dennishoddy
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I have a problem with buying anything that is not stainless.
OK for clarification, I have lots of guns that are not stainless in the collection.
I can't understand why gun makers can't produce one in stainless for those that want to go that way.
I have two hybrids in stainless and Tupperware. They shoot good enough that I trust my life with them, but still, why not make a model that is totally stainless. I'd pay for it.
OK for clarification, I have lots of guns that are not stainless in the collection.
I can't understand why gun makers can't produce one in stainless for those that want to go that way.
I have two hybrids in stainless and Tupperware. They shoot good enough that I trust my life with them, but still, why not make a model that is totally stainless. I'd pay for it.
drmitchgibson
The white Morgan Freeman
They do offer stainless slides on some models. I just wonder why there is no stainless slide/frame combo. Seems like a winner, to me. I'm just thinking holster wear, and if I need to prepare myself to have some streaks running down an expensive gun from lots of draws. Does anyone know how the hard chrome finish wears? I just want to be prepared to accept that once I make the leap that one of my most expensive pieces of property may look shabby for extended periods of time because of heavy use. I don't think I'll be ready to semi-permanently move to a 1911 trigger until next spring, but it's good to know these things.
Also, I'm not concerned about the finish on my Glock. It's amazingly high quality. It's been drawn countless times, and twice it smashed into my kitchen floor from four feet up, chipped the hell out of the tile, ending up without a mark on it, and it still doesn't really show any wear. And the base gun was cheap.
Also, I'm not concerned about the finish on my Glock. It's amazingly high quality. It's been drawn countless times, and twice it smashed into my kitchen floor from four feet up, chipped the hell out of the tile, ending up without a mark on it, and it still doesn't really show any wear. And the base gun was cheap.
dennishoddy
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I'm just refering to guns in general. If they offered a stainless Browning Citori in a brushed stainless. I'd buy it.
Just a preference.
Just a preference.
brandt9913
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The only reason I can come up with for not offering a stainless 2011 is that carbon steel is stronger than stainless. 2011 pistols are produced to be fired hundreds of thousands of times and still run. I know 1911's are produced to last, but I don't know if they are expected to go through as much use as a competition 2011 pistol.
Just a theory.
Just a theory.
dennishoddy
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You may be correct in your theory, but if proper lubes are used, and if one understands the polymer chain aspects of lubes in general, wear will never happen. There is a whole science about lubrication.
I know that is a broad statement, but I worked with a chemist for awhile at a refinery that bought other companies oil/grease and tested them to see how well they worked.
I was amazed on the difference between "axle grease" and grease that is designed for general use.
Some work great for some applications, and suck for others. Oil for lubrication falls into this category. There are different oils for different application.
One big plus for the oil company's and technology in general is that we now have synthetic oil that works for crankcase applications but works for the gun world.
Some of our esteemed gun guru's have tested these synthetic oils and found them to be superior to conventional lubes in major competitions.
Scott Hearn
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You are probably on the right track. 4140 heat treated to the about 32-36RC is just about the perfect steel to make guns out of. Hard and strong enough to stand up to lots and lots use and still pretty machinable. Some of the PH stainless steels will work too but they are far more expensive. That's why they usually use a 400 series stainless in guns most of the time and it works but won't run as long as 4140. But it will look better for longer. A 4140 gun can look like hammered hell and still function fine. Just look at all the milsurp Garands for an example.
Scott Hearn
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Dennis that science you speak of is called tribology. And for those that don't know Breakfree CLP's oil stock is a Group IV base stock oil, exactly the same as synthetic motor oil. The reason it burns off faster is because of the solvent chemical(s) they add for the cleaning function.
dennishoddy
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Your exactly correct.
people don't understand how lubes actually work, and its easy to put a shyster ad on the internet with a lube that will hurt the gun VS actually work.
mike cyrwus
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You guys would put STI out of business if you all started a company. Or at least make bank by offering your consulting services to them.
dennishoddy
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TroyF said:
Same here. 280,000 miles on my Tacoma has me sold on it for a lube.
Scott Hearn
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Mobil 1 is just fine. But if you want a true synthetic make sure to get the more expensive Extended Performance variety, it really is worth a couple more bucks. Most folks don't realize that the regular kind is just Group III base stocks which are just hydrocracked dino juice. It's very high quality dino, but still dino. Mobil One Extended Performance and almost all of the Amsoil motor oils are the only true full synthetics made in the U.S. except for specialized racing oils and industrial, it doesn't matter what the label says, you think you are getting synthetic because the label says so but in reality you are not. You can thank our .gov for that.
The Antichrome
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But SVI does.
