Tips for having a carrygun match?

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Rick417

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We're having one tomorrow in Joplin (4/9/11)

Our match director had a very small trial run match last month with just a few guys. I got word yesterday that the next one is on Saturday.
We are following the scoring of TACSS and most of the rules. I think we're not going to mess with divisions this time.
Jesse, I already stole your excel spreadsheet from the results thread of one of the Heartland matches. Thanks :D

We aren't sure what kind of turnout we will have, hoping for around 12 shooters. Our problem is that we can't shut down the range to have access to our pistol bays that we run USPSA on. So we are going to set up 4 stages on one portion of the range and leave the rest open to members.

So anyway, if you guys have any last minute tips that will make it go smooth, it would be appreciated. I think we are trying to get new shooters that have never done any USPSA or IDPA to come try out some organized shooting.

BTW, our MD tried to contact TACSS for some clarification on a couple things and I think to get an official affiliation. He never got a call back so we're just gonna "wing it".
 
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The only advice I have is to not have to strict of equipment rules, such as not making it a requrement to draw from concealment. Be SAFE and have FUN
 
If it is going to called a carry gun match, make sure all the guns are carry guns.


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Justin said:
The only advice I have is to not have to strict of equipment rules, such as not making it a requrement to draw from concealment. Be SAFE and have FUN
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Do you mean TACSS? If so, that is our very own David Elderton. His username is David E. You can also watch some of our stages on YouTube. Search for "Heartland carry gun match"

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Rick417 said:
We're having one tomorrow in Joplin (4/9/11)

Our match director had a very small trial run match last month with just a few guys. I got word yesterday that the next one is on Saturday.
We are following the scoring of TACCS and most of the rules. I think we're not going to mess with divisions this time.
Jesse, I already stole your excel spreadsheet from the results thread of one of the Heartland matches. Thanks :D

We aren't sure what kind of turnout we will have, hoping for around 12 shooters. Our problem is that we can't shut down the range to have access to our pistol bays that we run USPSA on. So we are going to set up 4 stages on one portion of the range and leave the rest open to members.

So anyway, if you guys have any last minute tips that will make it go smooth, it would be appreciated. I think we are trying to get new shooters that have never done any USPSA or IDPA to come try out some organized shooting.

BTW, our MD tried to contact TACCS for some clarification on a couple things and I think to get an official affiliation. He never got a call back so we're just gonna "wing it".
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Dang, saw this just now.

Be sure and report how it went and what problems/ concerns you had, if any.

Good luck!
 
Just saw the second typo in my original post. Too late to edit it.

Where did that editing post thread go........
 
Rick,

I hope your match went well.

I look forward to reading about it.

I would suggest having the divisions, because otherwise, everyone will show up with a hicap 9mm.

The Snubby Division is an interesting one, as it allows the snubby to actually compete against other like-shooters, and can even hold their own against the others, depending on the stage. Besides, a lot of people carry a snubby, but they never shoot it? Why? Because it's not competitive anywhere else.
 
The match did go pretty good. It was a very small group of guys for this one. We all carried our normal carry guns that ranged from 4" 1911's, glock 26/27's, and a couple full size guns.

A couple guys had trouble with their gear and a couple had problems with their guns. The only problem I had was prop related. Seated start holding a paper. Dropped the paper at the start signal and the wind blew it up and it stuck right to my face. :o Wish that would have been on video.

It was nice to not have a bunch of gear to lug around and mess with changing out. We ran 4 stages for about 60 rounds. The match was tore down and I was back home by lunchtime.
 
be ready these matches grow rapidly once people hear that they don't have to have pimped out guns and 5 mags to shoot..
 
David E has been masterful in working tactical things into his stages. In the past he's set things up to reload from slide-lock, Start with an empty gun, "battle feild pickup", we even see a few sliders and swingers. Mandatory reloads even the gap when a lot of HI Cap shooters mix it up with revolver shooters or others with LO Cap guns.

You cannot have too much holster work in a "carry gun match".... we have had a few stages that were split. Draw and engage, reholster and draw and engage another target or array of targets.

We even get a few "head shot" or other targets with close "no shoots" thrown at us.

David scores snubbies with a Dead right there system. ONE "fatal" A zone shot may be all it takes to move on the next target. It gives a low cap snubby enough handicap to stay in the game. Of course- bring the wrong gun on a night where long shots are abundant- it will stretch the ability of a "casual" snubnosed shooter.

David's matches at Heartland (Edmond) encourage cover garments but garments are not strictly required. A newer shooter may not have the skills or confidence to draw from concealment- and we don't want anyone working above the comfort zone. But this kind of match gets that zone expanded in short order.
 
Rick417 said:
A couple guys had trouble with their gear and a couple had problems with their guns. The only problem I had was prop related. Seated start holding a paper. Dropped the paper at the start signal and the wind blew it up and it stuck right to my face. :o Wish that would have been on video.
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Since it was a carry gun match, it is actually good that they had issues with their guns, not good thing that the gun potentionally broke, but it is a good thing that they found things that need working on, so that in a real life if they need their gun, it wont mess up then
 
Yep. I only took a bag with ammo and hearing protection. All my gear was the stuff I carry everyday. No backup plan like in other matches.

Of course my Glock 35 ran flawlessly as usual. And yes, the Glock 35 is the ONLY gun that I carry. It is also my USPSA production gun so I've got a lot of rounds down range with it.
 
The Carrygun Match is designed to be shot with an actual carrygun from an actual carry holster. No more than 2 reloads from the belt are ever required to complete a stage. No stage is over 18 rds and no array requires more than 6 rds total.

The "DRT" scoring for snubbies does help the snubby keep up. The DRT scoring is requiring one less than the minimum number of shots on target. IE; if the target requires 2 hits, then each target needs one CENTER hit to be declared "dead right there." If the target requires 6 rds, then the snubby shooter need to hit it 5 times.

The downside? Yes, there is one and it's a doozy. If the target requires 2 hits (from everyone else) and the snubby shooter fails to make his single shot a center hit, but hits the arm, then he is scored for the "wounding hit" as well as a MISS. If 6 were required and 3 of his 5 shots are in the arm, he's scored for 3 wounding hits and a MISS.

If someone elects to carry a snubnose to defend their life, they need to fully understand and accept the limitations of that platform, particularly regarding capacity. They can't just hose down the area with suppression fire and hope to make a good hit. They need place their limited number of shots accurately.

One thing that becomes apparent at these matches: Some gun set-ups suck! Like using a crap holster, or gun-show special magazines, or "Can't-see-um" sights. Better to find that out at the match, don't you think?
 
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