AR BCGs and machining…

WideLoadTimmy

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I am going to start building my first AR build and I have some questions.

If the upper I plan to buy doesn't come with a BCG, what do you all recommend?

On performance automotive applications, machining certain parts can get you better performance. I was wondering if the same holds true for AR-15s and if so, what can be machined and how?
 
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If you want a nice BCG for a regularish AR buy this.

If you want a lightened carrier for a game gun buy this.

You can find the JP carrier cheaper, I just didn't want to dig up another website, I'm lazy like that.
 
If you want a nice BCG for a regularish AR buy this.

If you want a lightened carrier for a game gun buy this.

You can find the JP carrier cheaper, I just didn't want to dig up another website, I'm lazy like that.
Keep in mind.....
If you use a lightened carrier & buffer, you'll need an adjustable gas block to tune it, or you'll be way over gassed.

If you compensate the lightened carrier with a super heavy buffer, well what's the point.
 
You don't HAVE to turn the gas down with a lightened carrier. It just makes the system contain less energy and reduced recoil more. My M&P has a carbine length gas system a lightened carrier that you see below and the JP tank break. It is much shifter shooting than it used to be.

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It cost me $50 to have this carrier lightened. It is 7.9 oz now and was 9.3 oz previously. I believe the JP site lists theirs at 6.25 oz?
 
If you want a custom built race car like AR15 get a milled matched upper lower with a high quality SS barrel from somebody like LOKI, JP, Firebird Precision etc.
 
The adjustable gas block concept interests me.

I've gotten to the point where I run mine wide open because I just don't notice any recoil reduction. What I do get are slightly dinged up cases since the carrier speed is higher.

Over on Enos Jim Lambert of Firebird fame just introduced a small stainless gas block due to his own research that adjustables didn't really show a lot of benefit.

Lemme see if I can dig up that thread.
 
My problem wasn't slightly dinged cases. It was the bolt folding the follow up case on the feed ramp, because it was running way too fast. It just smashed it all to hell. This was with a std M16 carrier, not lightened. I had to bump up my buffer weight to slow it down. This eliminated the problem completely. What was happening was the BCG was moving wicked fast & rebounding off the back end of the buffer tube. This caused it to outrun the mag. The carrier would be 1/2 way thru the cycle by the time the next cartridge was in position. This caused the bolt to contact the cartridge at about halfway up the case instead of on the rim & push it against the feed ramp folding/smashing it. Had I been using a lightened carrier it would've been even worse.

So my statement about compensating the reduced weight carrier with a heavier buffer was, what's the point. You still have the same amount of reciprocating mass. To use a light buffer & light carrier like the JP LMOS, the reduced gas is necessary to keep your BCG from running too fast. I guess it doesn't have to be an adjustable gas block just one that reduces the amount of gas (smaller bore) back to the carrier.

BTW: this was in an 11" SBR which by all accounts is supposed to have less gas at the carrier that a std 16" carbine, since the gas port is so much close to the end of the barrel.
 
My problem wasn't slightly dinged cases. It was the bolt folding the follow up case on the feed ramp, because it was running way too fast. It just smashed it all to hell. This was with a std M16 carrier, not lightened. I had to bump up my buffer weight to slow it down. This eliminated the problem completely. What was happening was the BCG was moving wicked fast & rebounding off the back end of the buffer tube. This caused it to outrun the mag. The carrier would be 1/2 way thru the cycle by the time the next cartridge was in position. This caused the bolt to contact the cartridge at about halfway up the case instead of on the rim & push it against the feed ramp folding/smashing it. Had I been using a lightened carrier it would've been even worse.

So my statement about compensating the reduced weight carrier with a heavier buffer was, what's the point. You still have the same amount of reciprocating mass. To use a light buffer & light carrier like the JP LMOS, the reduced gas is necessary to keep your BCG from running too fast. I guess it doesn't have to be an adjustable gas block just one that reduces the amount of gas (smaller bore) back to the carrier.

BTW: this was in an 11" SBR which by all accounts is supposed to have less gas at the carrier that a std 16" carbine, since the gas port is so much close to the end of the barrel.


Good grief, that's a new one on me, glad you worked it out.
My AR with light JP carrier and buffer shoots great with the gas block all the way open, and with the amount of red loctite it isn't going anywhere again.
 
Good grief, that's a new one on me, glad you worked it out.
My AR with light JP carrier and buffer shoots great with the gas block all the way open, and with the amount of red loctite it isn't going anywhere again.
It took a minute (actually quite alot of head scratching) to figure it out but it runs like a top now.
 
I'm gonna have to talk a few of you into letting me shoot your different rifles and pointing out the differences for me so I can get a good feel for what I want.

That's what I did. I shot Pinto's race gun once. I instantly reversed my previous notion from the Army that AR's were crap and knew I had to have that light weight rifle with low mass internals.
 
Some retired Smith off the Enos forum did it. Cyrwus said he could do it but I dint know if he really wants to or not. I have been told Benny Hill at Triangle Shooting Sports has been lightening them for years. If you want I can put you in touch with the gentleman that cut mine.
 
or start nice and basic learn the weapon and change as you go.
I see your point, but why waste money if he has the opportunity to try a bunch before buying stuff.
I wish I could have all the money back I wasted on stuff I didn't like. Or the stuff I liked, until I found something I liked better. All because I didn't have a chance to try several different options before hand.
 
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