Load Two Belt by Chameleon

[jtischauser]

Here is a great video of Josh Mazzola loading off of his Load Two rig. Sub 5 second loads is dmn quick! I have on eof these as well as a Mark Otto rig. If anybody wants to try them out just let me know and its yours to demo.

Personally, I have run about 30-50 8 round loads with these setups and it is very easy to get sub 8 second loads with little practice time. I can get a good load right around 6 seconds shoulder to shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-jUgksFZVU&feature=player_embedded

 

[benjamin-benjamin]

impressive, but i still believe the best way (even if you are slower in the beginning) is to learn the way you will use do it long term and for me that will be keeping gun eye level and loading 4....

 

[Chambers]

Did your Otto rig come with a glove?? :lol_hitting:

 

[jtischauser]

If u can load under 5 seconds with this why beat yourself up with weak hand loading? I can just barely get under 6 with my weak hand loads and I'm pretty fast compared to most guys.

 

[Browtine]

That is impressive, but you'll look like a suicide bomber on a long shotgun stage!

 

[jtischauser]

That is impressive, but you'll look like a suicide bomber on a long shotgun stage!

I think that is part of the reason why IPSC just banned these types of loading devices in IPSC shotgun matches. What a crazy deal that is becaseu the majority of European shot gunners run this type of setp.

 

[Wall]

I think that is part of the reason why IPSC just banned these types of loading devices in IPSC shotgun matches. What a crazy deal that is becaseu the majority of European shot gunners run this type of setp.

Yes, but they're use to cumberbunds. We're more casual around here.

 

[Chambers]

Can you go prone with it?

I can see the utility in having one for a big RM3G style 50-round shotgun stage, but if you can weakhand load just as fast...

 

[KurtM]

Really Jesse?? Most European shooters use them?? Really??? some Germans do and a coule of the slovaks do, but in all my time over there I only saw a very few...so what up?? You been over recently?? There were a grand total of 14 people loading that way at the Central Euro Shotgun match earlier this year out of 237 competitors in Standard.....and baby that ain't most.

 

[jtischauser]

Really Jesse?? Most European shooters use them?? Really??? some Germans do and a coule of the slovaks do, but in all my time over there I only saw a very few...so what up?? You been over recently?? There were a grand total of 14 people loading that way at the Central Euro Shotgun match earlier this year out of 237 competitors in Standard.....and baby that ain't most.

By most I meant most Europeans that have a YouTube channel. LOL!

 

[Luckygunner]

I'm no one to give advice and sorry to hear that IPSC has banned these rigs. But if you want a beginners opinion, then until I can get my lifter welded, which seems like an act of God some times, then this system is great. Makes me a little more competitive as a newbie and the real reason I like it is I don't load my thumb into the tube nearly as much as when 4 shell weak hand loading. I've been bit a couple times really bad and its no fun. I know, practice. And I agree. But until I have my lifter fixed that's a moot point. Just saying.

 

[shootingbuff]

If u can load under 5 seconds with this why beat yourself up with weak hand loading? I can just barely get under 6 with my weak hand loads and I'm pretty fast compared to most guys.

Exactly, what works for one doesn't mean it will work for you and try different things with a timer to see what works best for you. This type of setup should be easier on a Nova with its huge loading gate / area.

 

[McGuire]

It kinda feels like a solution looking for a problem...

or lazy people wanting a way to be fast without practicing a real skill. I just think that if someone is going to be a well rounded and skilled competitor it should be real skill, not gimmicks. While equipment is important to a point, the fundamentals never go out of style, or stop working. Not knocking anyone for using a new toy. I get it, Im kinda gear queer myself, but this is a little too much for me. Also, what if it gets banned for competition, maybe a good idea, but all it takes is one little sentence and boom, done-ski. Then you are all the way back to square one...and a thumb...

 

[jtischauser]

It kinda feels like a solution looking for a problem...

or lazy people wanting a way to be fast without practicing a real skill. I just think that if someone is going to be a well rounded and skilled competitor it should be real skill, not gimmicks. While equipment is important to a point, the fundamentals never go out of style, or stop working. Not knocking anyone for using a new toy. I get it, Im kinda gear queer myself, but this is a little too much for me. Also, what if it gets banned for competition, maybe a good idea, but all it takes is one little sentence and boom, done-ski. Then you are all the way back to square one...and a thumb...

It's not a Gimmick. It's actually faster for most anyone that doesn't have a huge amount of weakhand dexterity.

The chap that won the pump division of the Pan American IPSC shotgun championship uses this loading technique. It's legit just not popular here because we don't have a lot of shotgun only style matches like they do in Europe. Most of the stuff we see here shotgun wise is tactical in nature and that belt is definitely not tactical.

 

[McGuire]

I dont doubt that its fast, but is it practical. Its already been pointed out, what if you have to go prone, you are rubbing your ammo in the mud and dirt. Even if you do shoot a benelli, thats a bad idea. Nevermind the size of the thing, its like a bandage for a stab wound to the chest. I get the idea behind it, and if you are purely a games man then it makes sense in a way. But being in the Corps also taught me that sometimes you dont get to choose the gear, you just get to make it work. The TWinS system is almost 200 and I couldnt find a price for the load two in the 25 second google search I did, but a caddy is like 30 bucks. Just seems that if some people spent more time practicing and less time thinking of ways not to practice, they might be a little more handy with their off hand reloads. Again, just my opinion, Im in no way an expert.

 

[shootingbuff]

It's not a Gimmick. It's actually faster for most anyone that doesn't have a huge amount of weakhand dexterity.

. Most of the stuff we see here shotgun wise is tactical in nature and that belt is definitely not tactical.

Agree with the above and if one is needing rounds sooner than later and the style works then its the best method. What would be the mounting time vs typical weak hand or strong hand reloading vs this method? One has to run the timer and see what works for them.

 

[shootingbuff]

I dont doubt that its fast, but is it practical. Its already been pointed out, what if you have to go prone, you are rubbing your ammo in the mud and dirt. Even if you do shoot a benelli, thats a bad idea. Nevermind the size of the thing, its like a bandage for a stab wound to the chest. I get the idea behind it, and if you are purely a games man then it makes sense in a way. But being in the Corps also taught me that sometimes you dont get to choose the gear, you just get to make it work. The TWinS system is almost 200 and I couldnt find a price for the load two in the 25 second google search I did, but a caddy is like 30 bucks. Just seems that if some people spent more time practicing and less time thinking of ways not to practice, they might be a little more handy with their off hand reloads. Again, just my opinion, Im in no way an expert.

Tracking with your mindset. Caddies can get muddy as well if you flop in mud and maybe even more since you come up from the waist and squirm around at the waist where this chest holder might at times be less or less ground into the mud. Basically a pump on the ground sucks regardless and adding reloading while on the ground for any shotgun sucks.

I don’t think any one stated this was the only or the best way to reload. It is just an option and like everything else you have to believe in it and practice. To know which is faster one has to put time in and use the timer.

I wouldn’t get to hung up over game vs tactical - shoot and use what one wants how one wants.

 

[jtischauser]

It definitely sucks when you have to go prone moreso than caddies. But you you have to go prone you can rotate it to your side then rotate it back.

The load two or the Otto belt are around $100-120 and they hold the equivelant of 4-5 caddies. They are actually cheaper than the MME caddies that cost $40 each. Of course you could go with the cheap plastic caddies and be under $20 each.

 

[KurtM]

You mean the "cheap" plastic caddies that I have been using continually since 1994? you mean the 6 orriginal "cheap" plastic caddies that I have never worn out or broken in that time? You mean the "cheap" plastic caddies that have been all over the world, and won well over 15 international matches? Or do you mean the "cheap" plastic caddies because you paid too much for the Aluminum ones you have?

The load two "system" was orriginally designed by a big old German boy named George Moskop and the first time I saw it was in 2003 at Terni Italy for the first European Shotgun Championships. At that time no-one had seen weak-hand loading over there either. Guess which one almost all euro's went to, and if you guess the lad two system your wrong. There are a few like Andre Fergus from Croatia that are quite good with them, but the upper end "over there" are weak hand loading. Jesse, the guy who won pump at the Pan-Am is considered a second rate shooter over there, we just don't have any real good pump shooters over here outside of Pat who had a very misserable match due to equipment failures and ammo trouble. Don't take the Pan Am as the norm, it was just a very breif picture to a much larger one you haven't seen.

In defence of the load two system, it is fast for someone with no shotgun loading skill to be competitive in a short amount of time. The down side is that since it is "easy" they don't practice it enough and then fail at crittical times. Many of the Supper Squad this year at the 3-gun nationals....oppps I mean Super Squad, used a load two method. I am not going to name names, but there were many times I saw them drop a shell or two. If you look at the shotgun heavy stages you will notice that the majority of top placer still were weak-hand loaders, or in a couple of cases strong-hand loader...Daniel Horner.

The bottom line is that NO MATTER HOW you do it you got to put in the time. Kurt

 

[Chambers]

You mean the "cheap" plastic caddies that I have been using continually since 1994? you mean the 6 orriginal "cheap" plastic caddies that I have never worn out or broken in that time? You mean the "cheap" plastic caddies that have been all over the world, and won well over 15 international matches? Or do you mean the "cheap" plastic caddies because you paid too much for the Aluminum ones you have?

I'm still faster with my Choate caddies than the fancy aluminum ones, but they did bone me pretty good when I lost ALL my slugs in a dead sprint at the FB3G match!

That's only because I didn't do your mod to tighten them up...d'oh.