How often do you Carry?

How many days/week do you typically Carry?

  • 1-2

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • 3-4

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • 5-6

    Votes: 4 4.8%
  • Every Day

    Votes: 66 78.6%
  • I don't carry regularly

    Votes: 9 10.7%

  • Total voters
    84
Thing about drawing your pistol and NOT using it is that the person you think is a threat is now in the right to shoot you and be all legal about it as since you drew your weapon you are threating thier life now. That's why they tell you if you draw your weapon someone MUST die!

I like the cable lock to the seat idea! never even thought about that one.

I'm going to try and carry more this year, hell I have the card that says I can might as well. Later,

Kirk
 
Thing about drawing your pistol and NOT using it is that the person you think is a threat is now in the right to shoot you and be all legal about it as since you drew your weapon you are threating thier life now. That's why they tell you if you draw your weapon someone MUST die!

I like the cable lock to the seat idea! never even thought about that one.

I'm going to try and carry more this year, hell I have the card that says I can might as well. Later,

Kirk

I'd figure it would be easier to defend my self in court for a "brandishing" charge than having my wife bury me.

A real "bad guy" who just wants to rob or beat you as a random act will probably vanish if he sees a gun. They probably won't call a cop. The guy who really doesnt care if your life is in the way will kill you anyway if you dont defend your self.

The observation I've made over the years is this. When a gun comes out to settle a argument or some such thing... neighbors, relatives... there is a greater likelyhood that the gun guy won't shoot and the other person will complain to the law.

I was in Miami FL a few years ago. Getting a cold drink at a 711... two Spanish speakers were in the store and I over heard their plan to walk me around back and rob me. They figured a Gringo like me did not understand the language.

I turned ... exposed my 1911... and watched the reaction. That was the anticlimax...got in my car and went on my merry way.
 
Thing about drawing your pistol and NOT using it is that the person you think is a threat is now in the right to shoot you and be all legal about it as since you drew your weapon you are threating thier life now. That's why they tell you if you draw your weapon someone MUST die!

I like the cable lock to the seat idea! never even thought about that one.

I'm going to try and carry more this year, hell I have the card that says I can might as well. Later,

Kirk

Feel pretty much as Jeff does, but hte act of drawing does not always equal presenting / brandishing.. Placing it in a pocket or behind a leg, under your arm etc can still keep the wpn concealed, just much easier and faster to employ.
 
Oh don't get me wrong if I feel there is a NEED I could give a elephant dung less about what is thought by others! I'm thinking about Kirk. It's just the way I was explained by a lawyer. He just said if you feel enought threat that you must draw your weapon you BETTER be in fear for your life and someone must die, pretty sure it would be to make thier job easier.

If it makes my opinions any more clear I got my CCW just so I would be legal hehe Later,

Kirk
 
Carry everyday and all the time. It was a hard important lesson for me.

A few months ago, I had left my firearm on my computer desk at home when I left to grab something to eat. Without going into too much detail, I was ambushed at an intersection and 2 individuals tried to rob me / car jack me.

My driver side door flung open and a knife went straight to my face. I barely caught the knife in time and turned to fend off the attacker. During the attack, I reached for my concealed carry only to realize the fail of reaching for an empty crossbreed holster. It was a good thing I had my EDC knife because without it, I believe I would be dead. I reached for my knife and fought off the attacker.

Once we were both out of the vehicle, I immediately yelled that I was an off duty officer and that I would be calling for backup. Biggest bluff of my life and it worked. Returning to my vehicle to drive away to a safe location and to call 911, I noticed that my keys were missing. I also noticed I was sitting in a pool of blood. That's when I realized that the whole time I was fighting off 1 attacker, the other had come through the passenger side, taken my keys and stabbed me twice. Once on my right side between my 7th and 8th rib, piercing my liver and one on my upper back 2 inches to the right of my spine above my shoulder blades. Honestly, if it werent' for all the blood pouring out, I wouldn't even have known I had been stabbed. I felt absolutely no pain felt like I was in my "best game" physically. I didn't suffer any of the effects of being stabbed until I ended up in the emergency room almost 40 minutes later, when blood was starting to fill up my diaphram.

Folks, always carry and always be aware of your surroundings. Also, make sure your car doors are locked. If you let someone in or accidentally unlock them, lock them again. My knife saved my life that day. I spent a week in the hospital and now have a pile of medical bills to pay for my lapse in awareness and not carrying my firearm.

Sad part is the attacker with the knife didn't even touch me. It took another individual to sneak up behind me and I was extremely lucky I wasn't stabbed in the neck or in the spine. To this day, the perpetrators have not been caught and most likely never will. The fact that they were so bold to attack me in broad daylight in public with the intent to injure or kill makes it highly likely they were addicts severely needing their next fix. They didn't give time to "comply" or didn't ask for the wallet. It was simply a knife to the face and then take whatever you can and leave type of scenario. Let this be a lesson. Addicts are a different breed of criminals with no regard for human life. They live and will kill for their next fix.

Let this pic be a lesson of what may happen to you or to a loved one if you aren't situationally aware and aren't prepared to defend your life.

bloody.jpg
 
I honestly am amazed by the amount of thought and passion I have read in this thread. I have been mugged before, I got knocked out in crack to the head from a board. It was a bad night, mostly because I chose to take a shortcut instead of the long way around. Laziness got my a headache, God made sure that was all I got, minus my wallet. But that could have gone far differently. I think the number one reason people dont carry is laziness, its a chore to choose to dress so you can carry, its a chore to choose where you do or dont go, or if you can or cant have a beer at dinner. Im not trying to insult anyone because Im just as guilty. But the one thing that reminds me is the thought of lying on my living room floor bleeding to death while my wife gets raped by some meth mouth junkie. I learned a long time ago that life is finite and if it is that time, then theres no getting around it. But I wont give myself up peacefully and I wont place myself at a disadvantage to some junkie or criminal who thinks that I look like and easy score. But its not just for me, its my duty to protect my family and those around me who cannot or will not defend themselves. A real warrior does what needs to be done, not what is convienient. If that means changing clothes to a baggier shirt, or getting out of bed to double check my locks, or acting in a situation where my life or the life of someone near me is at stake, so be it. Its a way of life. No excuses, No regrets, No mercy. (I should make bumper stickers or tshirts)
 
It's just the way I was explained by a lawyer. He just said if you feel enought threat that you must draw your weapon you BETTER be in fear for your life and someone must die, pretty sure it would be to make thier job easier.

I understand the sentiment, you must be WILLING to use your weapon when you draw it, HOWEVER, hard and fast rules like "someone MUST die" seem unrealistic.

The other problem with this statement is that KILLING is not what we should be concerned with, it is stopping the threat.

Honestly, if an attorney advises someone as such, I think they are negligent.
 
Sad thing Burk is this day and age stopping the threat seems to mean that someone is not going to come out with thier life, you draw your weapon to stop or have to shoot someone if they live it's like you'll be in the wrong and end up going to jail just for protecting yourself or family. The last thing I want to do is kill someone but I'm damn sure going to do my best to come out WITH my life with whatever means I have at my disposal.

It's a very very fine line and I hope that no one is put in the place they have to decide which side of the line they have to fall! Later,

Kirk
 
there has been new language added to the Castle Doctrine during the legislative session to plug some holes in the old laws, making it harder for a prosecutor to pursue a case like you describe. I haven't seen the wording yet.
 
there has been new language added to the Castle Doctrine during the legislative session to plug some holes in the old laws, making it harder for a prosecutor to pursue a case like you describe. I haven't seen the wording yet.

Excellent point Dennis. It was always in there:

TITLE 21 § 1289.25 PHYSICAL OR DEADLY FORCE AGAINST INTRUDER

"F. A person who uses force, as permitted pursuant to the provisions of subsections B and D of this section, is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force"
 
It is interesting the things you have to change while carrying and it not just how you dress, for me it was no beer or wine with diner. I don't drink much but the few times I do it's one beer with a pizza or one glass of wine with dinner (I do love Old Chicago pizza) but I'm not going to give someone reason to suspect my sobriety if a weapon is involved.

Wes
 
Carry everyday and all the time. It was a hard important lesson for me.

A few months ago, I had left my firearm on my computer desk at home when I left to grab something to eat. Without going into too much detail, I was ambushed at an intersection and 2 individuals tried to rob me / car jack me.

My driver side door flung open and a knife went straight to my face. I barely caught the knife in time and turned to fend off the attacker. During the attack, I reached for my concealed carry only to realize the fail of reaching for an empty crossbreed holster. It was a good thing I had my EDC knife because without it, I believe I would be dead. I reached for my knife and fought off the attacker.

Once we were both out of the vehicle, I immediately yelled that I was an off duty officer and that I would be calling for backup. Biggest bluff of my life and it worked. Returning to my vehicle to drive away to a safe location and to call 911, I noticed that my keys were missing. I also noticed I was sitting in a pool of blood. That's when I realized that the whole time I was fighting off 1 attacker, the other had come through the passenger side, taken my keys and stabbed me twice. Once on my right side between my 7th and 8th rib, piercing my liver and one on my upper back 2 inches to the right of my spine above my shoulder blades. Honestly, if it werent' for all the blood pouring out, I wouldn't even have known I had been stabbed. I felt absolutely no pain felt like I was in my "best game" physically. I didn't suffer any of the effects of being stabbed until I ended up in the emergency room almost 40 minutes later, when blood was starting to fill up my diaphram.

Folks, always carry and always be aware of your surroundings. Also, make sure your car doors are locked. If you let someone in or accidentally unlock them, lock them again. My knife saved my life that day. I spent a week in the hospital and now have a pile of medical bills to pay for my lapse in awareness and not carrying my firearm.

Sad part is the attacker with the knife didn't even touch me. It took another individual to sneak up behind me and I was extremely lucky I wasn't stabbed in the neck or in the spine. To this day, the perpetrators have not been caught and most likely never will. The fact that they were so bold to attack me in broad daylight in public with the intent to injure or kill makes it highly likely they were addicts severely needing their next fix. They didn't give time to "comply" or didn't ask for the wallet. It was simply a knife to the face and then take whatever you can and leave type of scenario. Let this be a lesson. Addicts are a different breed of criminals with no regard for human life. They live and will kill for their next fix.

Let this pic be a lesson of what may happen to you or to a loved one if you aren't situationally aware and aren't prepared to defend your life.

bloody.jpg


Dude!!!!! Glad your okay!!

So if you don't mind were did this happen at ( city)? and do you have pics of the wounds? I know that sounds bad but, Id like to see the size of the wound and how that relates to not feeling in.

Glad your caring now!!!
 
Lets talk a bit about the "if you draw your gun someone HAS to DIE" thing.

IMHO, its absolutely the worst advice that is out there!!! I hear it a lot and thought it was right years ago but from all the training Ive done and the Experts Ive talked to it's just wrong. A lethal force situation can be WAY more dynamic ( as has been described above) than a Hard Fast Rule can encompass. You must take time and reaction time into the situation, it takes most people that dedicate time and effort into training with a Concealed handgun on average Two Seconds to draw there gun and make a good hit. Wile an Average guy can cover about 21feet in 1.5 seconds, So if bad guy threatens you with a weapon and you draw your gun and he realizes your not "getting your wallet" and he decides he's some place else to be ( my my look at the time!!) he's no longer a threat, and your no longer threatened. Now if that does happen Call and CYA ( Can You Articulate) tell the police why you did what you did and give a good description of the bad guy, But call First, the First person that call's the cops will be Perceived as the victim, and the Bad guy did "Assault" you if it was bad enough for you to pull your gun they need to be dealt with by the cops.
I know several people that have done just this and have Never had a problem, The idea that somehow this type of situation will get turned around and the guy that was Threatening you when you pulled your gun will now be Threatened by you and shoot you or Sue you for that is............. Can it happen Yea I suppose so, but if you CYA (and that is the key!! ) You'll be fine.

And honestly drawing your gun, the Bad guy/guys runing off, no one gets hurt, I don't have to KILL someone, I'm a good Witness to the crime, the Cops get the bad guys ( they like doing that anyhow) and I go home.... that's what its all about.

Now here is the BUT.... IF the bad guy remains a Threat you WILL have to deal with that!!

This is some of the reasons that I think "good" training, Square range, Scenario, and Force on Force is so Critical to truly understand the dynamic of Lethal encounters.
 
Oh don't get me wrong if I feel there is a NEED I could give a elephant dung less about what is thought by others! I'm thinking about Kirk. It's just the way I was explained by a lawyer. He just said if you feel enought threat that you must draw your weapon you BETTER be in fear for your life and someone must die, pretty sure it would be to make thier job easier.

If it makes my opinions any more clear I got my CCW just so I would be legal hehe Later,

Kirk

Let's see someone must die... How do yo defend that in court? I don't need an answer that would take us way off topic.
 
It was explained to me and yes this was years ago that if you felt that afraid for your life to draw your weapon someone must die, do I agree? not so much as the last thing I want to do is take a life! pretty sure it was a statement to keep people from just flashing weapons around town when they felt frightened or uneasy.

The class I took I'll admit that I think 60% should not have been carrying but that's just my opinion, during the shooting portion 2 people were ask to leave due to un-safe handling at the firing line.

I'm sure things have changed and I should read up more to keep up with the times!

aestus, dude glad your ok! had a little run in once drive down 23rd about Lottie years before the CCW laws were going seems when the guys saw what I had to offer they decided to go the other direction, I called 911 and an officer showed up got my story, checked out my pistol and we had a long discussion about how he wished he would have never gotten rid of his and I went on. They never caught the guys but I'm sure doing what they were someone along the way adjusted their outlooks on life and karma took care of it. Later,

Kirk
 
Dude!!!!! Glad your okay!! So if you don't mind were did this happen at ( city)? and do you have pics of the wounds? I know that sounds bad but, Id like to see the size of the wound and how that relates to not feeling in. Glad your caring now!!!

I've been carrying concealed for 4 years, except I would be lazy about it sometimes and not carry. On the day this happened, I was actually carrying, but removed it when I got home to do some work and forgot to put it back in the holster when I left the house. After this event, I make sure I have my firearm on me. If I have my wallet on, then i have my gun on. No exceptions.

It happened in Oklahoma City near downtown.

Here is a pic of the wound on the right side under my arm. The blade was estimated to be about 3 inches long and about 1 inch wide. This was about 1 week after going into the emergency room. You can see the staple that was used to close the wound and notice how the blade obliterated the surrounding area around it. Even 1 week after, there was no pain in the actual cut itself, just pain around the wound from the bruising.

I don't have pics of the wound on my upper back, but that one was pretty much a clean cut into the meat. No feeling and no damage. Blade went in and out and left no trace except a scar.

Honestly, the most amount of pain I felt was stuff the hospital did to me. The 1 inch drain tube REALLY SUCKED and of course they pretty much gutted me open from the stomach to stop the bleeding to my liver and fix my diaphram. That scar is pretty gnarly and not pretty at all. If it wasn't for the fact that my liver was pierced, the doc was going to let me go home that night with just staples on my stab wounds.

stabwound.jpg
 
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