Woodruff Rd. Robbery!

LuckyStrike · Feb 20, 2013

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2013/feb/20/d ... r-5638435/

Broad daylight, 1130h, on one of the busiest commercial traffic areas in G'ville---next door to Sprint Mobile storefront, the store "was full of customers." Shots fired by store owner.

Brazen thugs, lucky customers.

Any intel on how such goons LEGALLY acquired their weapon is unknown at this time... :roll:
WTFO?

Tigerstripe · Feb 21, 2013

just goes to show us, the news at 11 began with bear poachers being busted in NC.

good use of a gun not news

robbed store and killed 6 people, news everywhere.

John Canuck · Feb 21, 2013

The owner of the store chased after the getaway car on foot and fired a number of shots at the vehicle. It is unknown if anyone was injured.

If the store owner wanted to do something good, he would have shot at the violent criminals while they were threatening his customers. Chasing cars down the street and shooting at them isn't very smart. I'm ok with this story getting little or no coverage.

wylie · Feb 21, 2013

I hope the store owner does not get in trouble for firing shots after the robbery. far as I know if you are not law enforcement you are not allowed to pursue. Citizens are only allowed to use their weapon to stop a threat that is happening, not chasing people after they committed the crime

V65Magnafan · Feb 21, 2013

The elements of self defense in South Carolina as set forth in the case of State vs. Fuller and are as follows:

1. You must be without fault in bringing on the difficulty.
2. You must actually believe you are in imminent danger of loss of life or serious bodily injury or actually be in such danger.
3. If you believe you are in such danger, you must use deadly force only if a reasonable or prudent man of ordinary firmness and courage would have believed himself to be in such danger, or, if you actually were in such danger, the circumstances were such as would warrant a man of ordinary prudence, firmness and courage to strike the fatal blow in order to save himself from serious bodily harm or losing his own life.
4. You had no other probable means of avoiding the danger of losing your own life or sustaining serious bodily injury than to act as you did in the particular instance.

I'm not a lawyer. That said, the news reports suggest that the store owner was no longer in imminent danger. If he were, he had other probable means of avoiding the danger.

Tigerstripe · Feb 21, 2013

ok, thats what was said in the CWP class. but think of this, the store owner is a member of the unorganized militia. in the beginning it was them who were in charge of inforcing the law.

John Canuck · Feb 21, 2013

Militia members, organized, unorganized, pretend, fantasy league or otherwise, are not allowed to chase cars down the street shooting at them. Unless there is something missing from the story, no one, including the store owner was in danger after the criminals left.

The General · Feb 21, 2013

Use of self-defense in SC is now explicitely defined in SC 16-11-410 Protection of Persons and Property Act. However, once you (and others) are out of danger, self-defense can not be used as legal defense. The old case law is just that - Old...

So, you're correct in saying that you can't chase them down the block.

-Mike

armaborealis · Feb 25, 2013

The General said:
Use of self-defense in SC is now explicitely defined in SC 16-11-410 Protection of Persons and Property Act. However, once you (and others) are out of danger, self-defense can not be used as legal defense. The old case law is just that - Old...

So, you're correct in saying that you can't chase them down the block.

-Mike

NO!

The four elements described above are still 100% in effect. The PPACA modified the rules in some cases. Specifically it presumes that you were facing death or serious bodily injury if confronting a home invader inside your home or vehicle (#2 & 3). It also removes the duty to retreat (#4) in many circumstances.

Unless the robber in the car poses an actual threat of death or serious bodily injury (for example: he is trying to run you over) you cannot use deadly force to stop the escape, regardless of the PPACA.

Statutory law works together with case law. The common case law is still in effect; if you read the SC Supreme Court decision in the Jason Dickey case you will see those four elements examined one at a time as an example.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Feb 25, 2013

John Canuck said:
Militia members, organized, unorganized, pretend, fantasy league or otherwise, are not allowed to chase cars down the street shooting at them. Unless there is something missing from the story, no one, including the store owner was in danger after the criminals left.

http://charleston.thedigitel.com/crime/man-shot-while-driving-james-island-neighborhood-u-28283-0302

Use of deadly force isn't solely reserved for immediate preservation of life.

John Canuck · Feb 25, 2013

Avtomat-Acolyte said:
John Canuck said:

Militia members, organized, unorganized, pretend, fantasy league or otherwise, are not allowed to chase cars down the street shooting at them. Unless there is something missing from the story, no one, including the store owner was in danger after the criminals left.

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http://charleston.thedigitel.com/crime/man-shot-while-driving-james-island-neighborhood-u-28283-0302

Use of deadly force isn't solely reserved for immediate preservation of life.

First, the posting you quoted was in rebuttal to the suggestion that this had something to with the militia. It does not.

Second, you may or may not be able to argue you are justified in shooting at moving cars on/near Woodruff, but this is still a story that is best receiving little attention.

Third, do you want to be on your way into the Sprint store with your kids while Mr Jewelery is shooting up the parking lot when no ones life is in danger? I do not.

Avtomat-Acolyte · Feb 26, 2013

John Canuck said:
Third, do you want to be on your way into the Sprint store with your kids while Mr Jewelery is shooting up the parking lot when no ones life is in danger? I do not.

This sounds like the same sort of thing you would have said in regards to people being allowed to carry guns in the first place. When criminals get shot it is a GREAT THING.

John Canuck · Feb 26, 2013

Avtomat-Acolyte said:
John Canuck said:

Third, do you want to be on your way into the Sprint store with your kids while Mr Jewelery is shooting up the parking lot when no ones life is in danger? I do not.

Click to expand...

This sounds like the same sort of thing you would have said in regards to people being allowed to carry guns in the first place. When criminals get shot it is a GREAT THING.

That is nothing like what I would have said about people being allowed to carry guns in the first place. Nice try. Regardless of your desire for it to be so, the answer to every situation is not to start blasting.

If it makes you feel better, recently in Virginia, office Daniel Harmon-Wright thought it was a good idea to chase a car into the street and shoot the driver in the back once severing her spine, and once through the back of the head. His defense was that he had to stop her before she hurt someone else (she was trespassing, refused to provide him with her ID, and allegedly tried to assault him with her vehicle). Ex-Office Wright is on his way to prison. If he had been in a busy parking lot with lots of people during rush hour, perhaps it would have been all good.