Utah Man Takes Rifle to J.C. Penny Store

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Reminds me of the you tube videos where someone with a legal gun starts in on the police with "am I being detained?" While I 100% support the right to do this, probably not the best idea . Like Jesse said,that could draw a bunch of negative attention . Like if a lawmaker didn't like it and introduced legislation to ban open carry .
 
Good point. I did post this as soon as I saw it. My initial reaction was "Oh no this can't be good". Then went to " That guy has some brass ones". The more I think about it the more I just think it was a good thing it wasn't someone from here.

I also feel like there are people out there that don't want to lose the right to bear arms, but they don't want to see it on your hip or over your shoulder.
 
I understand the point he was trying to make; however, it the current atmosphere I don't believe it was a well thought out decision. We as responsible gun owners need to be calm, and state our case in a logical, coherent, and factual manner. I don't personally see a problem with him exercising his right to open carry; however, as an LEO I'd immediatlly talk to him. Of course once I figured out he was exercising his right and was not a threat I'd leave him be. But as previously stated; I don't think that kind of open carry helps our cause.
 
I feel there is a time and place for everything. I am on the fence with open carry. Personaly, I would not open carry. I feel like nobody needs to know if I am carrying unless it is a LEO. And even then, only with accordence to the law. I also believe that the 2nd Amendment shouldn't be tampered with, but only because I understand it is there for a reason. That reason being that when you deminish one it becomes easier to deminish them all.
 
I'm LEO I do know and whole heartedly believe in peoples rights. That being said, almost every state in the union has said (I believe the Supreme Court has upheld this and I'll research case law if you'd like) that you must ID yourself to Law Enforcement. That being said, once your ID has been given and your right to open carry confirmed you should be 100% good to go in my book. I'm kind of torn on this, I do recognize peoples rights 100% but I have a job to do as a peace officer. So while I recognize your position I only ask those open carrying recognize mine and explain to me your just exercising your right and provide ID. After that as long as you're not legally prohibited from carrying we're all good. I have no problem with open carry as long as those who open carry know I still have a job to do regarding public saftey. I hope that makes sense.
 
Mattyvip said:
I'm LEO I do know and whole heartedly believe in peoples rights. That being said, almost every state in the union has said (I believe the Supreme Court has upheld this and I'll research case law if you'd like) that you must ID yourself to Law Enforcement. That being said, once your ID has been given and your right to open carry confirmed you should be 100% good to go in my book. I'm kind of torn on this, I do recognize peoples rights 100% but I have a job to do as a peace officer. So while I recognize your position I only ask those open carrying recognize mine and explain to me your just exercising your right and provide ID. After that as long as you're not legally prohibited from carrying we're all good. I have no problem with open carry as long as those who open carry know I still have a job to do regarding public saftey. I hope that makes sense.
Makes perfect sense to me. And I believe that here if asked you have to prove you are legal to carry. Also, if stopped for any traffic violation as well. I think some of the other guys here can confirm that.
 
Jesse Tischauser said:
This is bad at all times. Anytime you do something specifically to draw attention to yourself even if its illegal it draws attention to you in a negative manner.
what? Your like is dedicated to drawing attention to yourself.
 
I facepalmed when I saw this ... Dudes just trying to get attention and making gun owners look like nuts.
 
This is a GOOD thing! Someone actually took an evil-baby-killing-heat-seeking-death machine into the mall and nobody got hurt!

We are already losing the public opinion battle. We won't be able to rationally talk to people via the TV so we must SHOW them IN PERSON that these tools are subject to the will of their operator.

The people that say "don't exercise your right, you might lose it" have lost their marbles.

Also, that guy called the cops beforehand and told them he would be open carrying.
 
This is as you say a battle for public opinion. What do you suppose the public's opinion of this guy is? Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should. Pushing people outside of their comfort zone will generally not yield the reaction you are looking for. And give even more tools to the folks on the other side of the argument.
 
I lament the times at 13 years old when I could take my single shot .22, and put it across the handlebars of my bicycle, and ride to the river with some buddies for an afternoon of shooting.
Not gonna happen now.

First deer taken was hung in the front yard from a tree. Not many deer in those days, and folks would drive by, and come back later with their kids to take a picture. In those days you could be proud of being a gun owner/hunter.
Not happening now.

So, what changed the publics opinion of gun owners? Was it gun owners themselves, criminals, politicians, or the media?

Now, I'm advised by the wildlife department to cover any game taken so its not in view of the public. Blood/dead animals are not acceptable to the general public.

There have been mass killings throughout history, using everything from clubs, knives, guns or whatever. Have these been caused by the weapons?
Current FBI stats say that baseball bats are the #1 killer other than guns. ( I have that report, and will post it when I can find it. ) I have a "slugger" in the closet by my front door.

I'm not seeing any legislation to outlaw baseball bats.

Politicans only respond to what will get them re-elected. There are a few that term limit themselves, but thats almost unheard of.

So what is it that drives Politicans and a large block of citizens to want gun control?

JMHO, its the media. As society becomes more locked into 24/7 instant access to all of the information they can absorb, they develop opinions based on what they see and hear from the media. Young children are exposed to what the media reports, and their teachers are getting the same. Copy cats wanting infamy in their death choose to follow the path of those before them are doing the same thing.

How many times have you heard from the national media about a crime stopped by an armed citizen? In gun friendly states, you do hear of this on occasion,but in the major metro areas where the news media controlls the networks, they only report the negative crime rates and never the armed citizen taking care of their family.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Two-wounded-in-theater-shooting-4122668.php#ixzz2GOP72zBX

Folks that live in crime ridden areas that fear gangs with guns, and only hear of the dangers of guns, never the benefits of guns don't know the difference, and at times I can understand why they feel that way. Its the lack of education about guns/gun owners.

They fear the gun as a tool to be used against them by criminals. Laws in their city's prohibit individual gun ownership, so they are at the mercy of guns/criminals.

They don't see the benefits of guns we do to defend ourselves and our families, as "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort,
to protect themselves against tyranny in government - Thomas Jefferson"

How we correct this, I'm not sure. All I know is that we can't quit trying. If I have to cover a deer, or cover a firearm, I'm not comfortable with that, but how do we change a large portion of this country's attitude? We have done a poor job so far, as we continue to fall into the abyss.
 
Chris_Andersen said:
This is as you say a battle for public opinion. What do you suppose the public's opinion of this guy is? Just because you can do something doesnt mean you should. Pushing people outside of their comfort zone will generally not yield the reaction you are looking for. And give even more tools to the folks on the other side of the argument.
Public opinion is not positive but they don't see people like this on a daily basis. As Dennis said, people form their opinions based on the media. They are, especially in times like these, deluged with stories of murder with a gun. It's Little Albert on a national scale. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment

In Arizona, open carry is normal now but it never would have been if a few brave* souls didn't step outside their door with an unconcealed pistol on their hip. It is up to the free states to change public opinion in their states and let the rest follow, just like the push for concealed carry.

*These people not only have to fear harassment by anti-gun people and police responding to anti-gunners, but they have to deal with ridicule and disdain from fudds.

It is our RIGHT and we CAN and SHOULD exercise it responsibly. Support this guy for exercising his rights responsibly! This story made NATIONAL media and NOBODY got hurt! We NEED more stories like this! That is why people who can do this in the free states should. Not only will travelers from commie states see open carriers hurting no one, but occasionally the national media will pick it up too.

I'm not trying discussing the benefits of carrying concealed in the face of an attack. That's a separate issue. An interesting side note, concealed carry used to be seen as what the criminals do and open carry was what the good guys did a long, long time ago.
 
I plan on open carrying at least a couple of times a month once I get my SDA permit. I'll be carrying my G34 on my hip on match days both before and after the match unless I'm on my bike.
 
okshooter26 said:
People are never going to become comfortable with firearms if we hide them in the closet
that is the same argument i used to the cops when they wanted to arrest me, but they still made me put my pants back on.... everyone is comfortable with married people having sex, but i don't bang my wife at JC penny...
 
benjamin-benjamin said:
that is the same argument i used to the cops when they wanted to arrest me, but they still made me put my pants back on.... everyone is comfortable with married people having sex, but i don't bang my wife at JC penny...
Do you want people to be comfortable with public sex displays?
 
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