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Tony

I think they should have offered training first, but I think that the intent is right on.

Earlier this year, USSA gave a free training seminars to over 150 Tulsa area educators.

A few weeks later Owasso Schools did an active shooter drill. The teachers who attended the USSA classes knew what to do. When an Owasso cop entered the classroom of one teacher I know of, he was totally surprised to be blinded by the teachers 300 lumen Surefire flashlight(just as a BG would be).
 
DeCastro added that arming teachers or having armed volunteers at the school are possible outcomes for the future.
Last month, the Oregon Senate Judiciary Committee passed, on a 3-2 party-line vote, four bills that would expand background checks and add new restrictions on carrying firearms. The bills next move to the Senate floor.

Don't know how "waking" some of the teachers could be a bad thing. We won't get them all, but some will see the light...
 
I agree it's eye opening, But I can't imagine how much $ in lawsuits they're going to be racking up.

Suppose one these teachers decided they weren't going to be unarmed in spite of the law.
I'm sure they weren't searched before the meeting as it would kinda give away the surprise.
I'm just saying it's never a good idea to surprise people by shooting at them.

I hope I'm wrong but I just don't see any good coming from this.
 
jeffhughes said:
I didn't catch that they were firing blanks. That is potentially law suit city...
The way the one teacher desribe getting hit a couple times in front & a couple in the back, I'm guessing simunition.

“I’ll tell you, the whole situation was horrible,” Morgan Gover told the paper. “I got a couple in the front and a couple in the back.”
 
The article says "firing blanks".

I hope they were not firing sim rounds without the teachers in eye pro...
 
jeffhughes said:
The article says "firing blanks".

I hope they were not firing sim rounds without the teachers in eye pro...
right & just guessing on my part but the lady said “I got a couple in the front and a couple in the back.”
 
Would have been a bad day if the "shooter" got shot. I mean, if there were no students, someone could have been carrying.
 
I'll bet it was dialed down airsoft, but I don't know for sure.
I read the article and I'm kind of going both ways on this.
One way, I'm thinking I would be the one carrying concealed no matter what the regs say, and would have defended myself. One of those times they would never have anticipated, because nobody carry's in gun free zones......not even criminals? I'm sure the prison time or funeral would not be pretty should that have happened.

But on the other hand, sometimes the people that are typically anti-gun (like the majority in the education system)Need to get a slap-yo-face, kick-yo-ass wake up call about reality.

Reality about what happens in the real world of security. The current method of defending these kids, ordering them to close the classroom door, and huddle in a corner just isn't going to get it.

Sitting in a supposed secure enviroment and talking about it vs seeing just what happens in that situation had to be the greatest wake up call of all.

I'll be interested to see if any of the attitudes changed. One of the anti-gun libs on the View TV program that lives in NY just announced she is going to get a pistol for the house after a burglery. Amazing how attitudes can change.
 
jeffhughes said:
Tony

I think they should have offered training first, but I think that the intent is right on.

Earlier this year, USSA gave a free training seminars to over 150 Tulsa area educators.

A few weeks later Owasso Schools did an active shooter drill. The teachers who attended the USSA classes knew what to do. When an Owasso cop entered the classroom of one teacher I know of, he was totally surprised to be blinded by the teachers 300 lumen Surefire flashlight(just as a BG would be).
Eventually, someone in one of these unplanned drills is going to be "totally surprised to be blinded by the teacher's" .45gr lead slug in his eyeball.
 
I wish I knew how we got to this point, and how to fix it. Read today about a boy suspended for having an unloaded shotgun in his trunk after skeet shooting. Honor student and an Eagle scout within 2 weeks of graduation. Thirty years ago, were there to be an active shooter, probably 2 dozen boys would run out and charge back in with a plethora of squirrel rifles and shotguns. Plus, I cannot recall hardly any of that crap going on in schools.
 
We had lots of guns on school grounds when I was in high school. My single shot .410 rode in the back window on a rack in the school parking lot.
The school security guard would talk guns with you.
We would go hunting after school, so we had to have them with us at school.

There were mental issues with people in my era, and before it. Nobody in their right mind can do a mass shooting and be perfectly sane, so what has changed to make these social deviants want to commit mass murder, and target defensless school children?

Is it the desire to become infamous? We are all connected to the rest of the world through the internet now, and everybody see's everything thats going on in the world around us.
Back in the day, a school shooting may have made the second page of a newspaper a couple of days after it happened after all the facts had been gathered, and a logical conclusion had been made about who and why the shooting occured.

Shooting have to be broken down into two catagories. Shooters that are students, and shooters not in the school system.

Shooters that are students, seem to be the ones that just don't "fit it" for whatever reason, and are made fun of, or are bullied. Recent example is Dillon and Clebow in the Colorado shootings. (I have a lot of negative comments about how that one was handled)
Kids have been bullied for centuries in schools for what-ever reason. Not every kid that is bullied becomes a mass murderer. What makes one of them snap?

Shooters that are outside of the student population can be a parent that is disgruntled with a school decision, or just a random shooter that wants to leave this earth with a history that nobody will forget. Why they choose innocent children, I can't fathom.

Doing a little research before posting this, I found that school shootings have been going on since the 1760's.

(U.S. Population: Less Than 4M)
The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac's Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.

What I'll leave with you is a link that shows school shootings in the U.S.. Its nothing new, Its been happening for a long time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

What do we do to stop this?

I'm no expert in human psychie, but my redneck thinking is that most of the school shooting from outsiders ended up when the shooter was confronted by armed people, and then committed suicide in a cowardly fashion because they weren't man enough to confront another armed person.

May their souls rest in hell forever.....
 
Well, I think it's the way we were brought up that has changed. My grandfather taught me to respect firearms and that they had a purpose and were not toys or to be used to hurt people. My father reenforced his teachings.

These days most kids grow up without that old school influence that some of us had in our grandparents that lived in a time when trading eggs for lunch money before school was common. My grandfather would sometimes hunt and trap mink before school and that was a source of income for him. He was 12.

These days kids hunt for their parents wallets for lunch money.

I also think people have failed to teach proper coping skills and fair play.

And the media has a role to play as well, but we need to be proactive as parents and teach our children to behave.

Just my 2 cents, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Agree about the "guns are not toys", that is why you don't go around "shooting" teachers like it is a toy paintball gun.
 
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