New CCW rules coming . Maybe if we be lucky.
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armaborealis
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Clearly, there will be rivers of blood at Chilis as patrons shoot it out over what to ordero for the tripple dipper appetizer platter.
Or, you know... nothing will happen. Because most people aren't lunatics.
Or, you know... nothing will happen. Because most people aren't lunatics.
Tigerstripe
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people are stupid though.
keep having guns going of at gun shows and resturants will be next.
keep having guns going of at gun shows and resturants will be next.
bigfutz
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Are you more likely to be shot by a licensed CWP holder at a restaurant or hit by a drunk driver on his way home? Maybe they should ban the alcohol. Or at least ban high capacity mags aka beer guts.
I've always found it entertaining that they allow the serving of alcohol in bars and restaurants, yet don't blink an eye at the undenyable fact that every car that leaves the parking lot will likely have at least a somewhat impaired driver. Oh, wait, I forgot everyone always must use a designated driver by law, right?
I guess they have to get rid of the guns (and fast cars) before the reinstate prohibition. Remember what happened last time.
I've always found it entertaining that they allow the serving of alcohol in bars and restaurants, yet don't blink an eye at the undenyable fact that every car that leaves the parking lot will likely have at least a somewhat impaired driver. Oh, wait, I forgot everyone always must use a designated driver by law, right?
I guess they have to get rid of the guns (and fast cars) before the reinstate prohibition. Remember what happened last time.
bigfutz
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I'm not fluent in legalese, but the areas I have highlighted seem to point out that not really much is being changed except to add fines. Does it actually say a CWP holder cannot carry anywhere not currently prohibited (by sign)?
The only big change I see is the "WHILE CONSUMING" clause.
PCShogun
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My understanding of the current law says that you cannot enter a restaurant that has a bar attached if you are carrying. The new law would allow you to do so, so long as there is not sign preventing it, so long as you are not asked by the owner to remove your weapon from the premise, or so long as you are not drinking alcohol.
The new law makes more sense, especially as most restaurants sell alcohol now, even CiCi's pizza which is a kids friendly restaurant.
The new law makes more sense, especially as most restaurants sell alcohol now, even CiCi's pizza which is a kids friendly restaurant.
Chili
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PCShogun said:
That is my understanding of the purposed law.
11B3XCIB
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And if you're properly carrying CONCEALED, the owner will never know you have a weapon. So, like normal, don't drink while carrying and don't enter a posted business.
PCShogun
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True, but if you are, and the sign is properly posted, the owner can have you arrested, not simply ask you to leave.
Again, just my understanding.
Many things can make a concealed weapon visible, unless you are using some very "unique" ways to hide the weapon on your person.
Again, just my understanding.
Many things can make a concealed weapon visible, unless you are using some very "unique" ways to hide the weapon on your person.
11B3XCIB
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PCShogun said:
I didn't mean carrying in a place that was posted. The three conditions for not carrying in an establishment are 1) If it's posted 2) If you're drinking 3) If the owner asks you to leave.
My situation applied to #3....I'm not advocating breaking the law. The owner won't know you're carrying concealed if you keep it concealed thereby not giving them a reason to ask you to leave.
Also, if the place is posted and they see you carrying, all they can do is call the police. They cannot detain you. That's called "false imprisonment" and a LAWSUIT. Shopkeepers can only detain you if they suspect you of THEFT, and for a short period of time at that. Simply calling the police on someone does not mean you have to wait around.
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bigfutz said:
There are a bunch of significant changes.
Currently if you step into a place that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises you're committing a serious crime regardless of whether it is posted with a no CCW sign. Under the revised statute, a crime only occurs if (1) the place is posted (in which case you are automatically in violation of that statute, which is relatively minor), (2) you are asked to leave and fail to do so (in which case you can also be hit with criminal trespass), AND (3) you're drinking booze.
That's a huge change for the better.
The other big change is that it revises the maximum potential penalty down from three years to two. Under current federal law, if you are convicted of a crime where the possible sentence exceeds two years, you become a "prohibited person." That is, you lose the rights to touch guns or ammo for life, just like a felon. This kicks in regardless of whether you spend a day in jail; all that matters is the possible sentence. Right now, the penalty for illegally carrying a firearm in Chipotle, peaceably, with a CWP, is a lifetime prohibition on gun possession. Does that seem appropriate to you? So, three years to two is a big deal.
tigerstripe said:
Of course, the guy right after my sarcastic post about "blood in the streets!" predicts that we'll see just that just that; if he's really that concerned I don't know how he can take his family to fast food joints (no booze!), Walmart, and the many other public places where CCW is allowed. Of all the things I am concerned about in life, being shot by a negligent discharge from a CWP holder is pretty darn low on the list. :roll:
Tigerstripe
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well, im the guy.
shooting IPSC we used to call them ADs but i can see its PC to be NDs now.
if that sarcastic guy has never had one he isnt doing it right. he will. i just hope his family isnt in range.
no names but at a shootzenfest 2 guys were talking and a 45 ball hit the concrete at their feet.
a lady was shot taking her CWP class. im sure its happened more.
what im saying is it happens at gun shows where the weapons were supposed to have been rendered unable to fire. in a resturant people wont be ogling and fondling guns but it will happen. never say never. im not against anybody carrying anywhere. if there is a thing called ND, it can happen where ever there is a gun.
why would a guy be concerned about his rights being taken away for peaceably, with a CWP carrying a fierarm into Chipotle when it is illegal, as it is now. why would anyone want to do that?
shooting IPSC we used to call them ADs but i can see its PC to be NDs now.
if that sarcastic guy has never had one he isnt doing it right. he will. i just hope his family isnt in range.
no names but at a shootzenfest 2 guys were talking and a 45 ball hit the concrete at their feet.
a lady was shot taking her CWP class. im sure its happened more.
what im saying is it happens at gun shows where the weapons were supposed to have been rendered unable to fire. in a resturant people wont be ogling and fondling guns but it will happen. never say never. im not against anybody carrying anywhere. if there is a thing called ND, it can happen where ever there is a gun.
why would a guy be concerned about his rights being taken away for peaceably, with a CWP carrying a fierarm into Chipotle when it is illegal, as it is now. why would anyone want to do that?
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The restaurant carry ban repeal bill could certainly be worded better, and I'm asking for a small change in my e-mails, but in general, I see no reason why good law abiding folks should not be able to carry a defensive tool when having diner at longhorn, or chipotle, or chillis etc.
The risk of being struck by a negligent discharge is no greater than it is inside of lowes, or wallyworld so I dismiss it. The probability that one might be struck by a stray bullet is something greater than 0, as is the probability of being run over in a parking lot, or struck by lightening. Not worth worrying about.
The risk of being struck by a negligent discharge is no greater than it is inside of lowes, or wallyworld so I dismiss it. The probability that one might be struck by a stray bullet is something greater than 0, as is the probability of being run over in a parking lot, or struck by lightening. Not worth worrying about.
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11B3XCIB said:
Gotcha, and you are correct. I did not mean the shop owner could arrest you, himself (although I wonder about a citizens arrest) just that he can contact police to "have" you arrested. Thanks for clearing it up.
Concerning the topic of a ND by a CCW holder in a public place. I see it happening at gun shows, as there are lots of guns with lots of people handling them. It should not happen, but does. Tiger is correct in that it IS going to happen somewhere at some point. I think because the other places do not allow open operation of the firearm is what keeps the incident rate low.
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I don't think the schedules are out yet. If I'm wrong, I hope someone lets me know.
I plan to update them here when I find out ---> viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6284
I plan to update them here when I find out ---> viewtopic.php?f=42&t=6284
