Learned something new today

Motojunkie

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I shot a match today at Rio Salado Sportsman's Club today in Mesa, AZ. It was a 2-gun "entry level" 3-gun match. The purpose was to get those that wanted to try 3-gun a taste without having to shoot a shotgun. So it was rifle + either shotgun or pistol. Knowing that pistol is faster, I decided to shoot shotgun to get some trigger time in with it since I'm new to this.

I was shooting well, had a really decent time on my first stage shot, I think it was stage 3, which was rifle/shotgun. I shot the shotgun well, and shot too fast with my rifle which cost me some seconds. Even so, I did respectable.

Then we moved over to a all shotgun or pistol stage. This one was going well, until I was shooting a texas star and after the first hit, I got a failure to feed. In fact, it was a double feed with a shell in the chamber with one trying to go in behind. I attempted to clear it and was dead in the water. The extractor ripped a chunk of the rim off the case. It was very easy to tap out with a cleaning rod, so I know it wasn't stuck. I was pretty bummed...90 seconds in penalties for an ammo issue.

Moving to the next stage (which is all shotgun or pistol also), I was shooting pretty decent (for me). I'm getting toward the end of the stage and I feel the bolt not go forward again. I look in the chamber, sure enough, there it is again. Another rim ripped off. I was kinda irritated at this point. Started talking to my friends about it, and they asked what ammo I was shooting. Me: Winchester. Friend: It's not the bulk pack $h!t from wal-mart, is it? Me: Yep. Friend: The reason that stuff is called "Universal" is because it's "Universally $h!tty". Me: LOLOL.

Anyway, the moral to this story is - ask your friends what works and what doesn't when you get into a new shooting sport. (If they're already knowledgeable) And, NEVER trust crap ammo at a match.

All in total, I ended up with 13 failure to engage penalties, all due to ammo. That will certainly move you to the back of the pack in a hurry.

Anyway, thanks to the folks that organized and ran the match, they did a great job and it was super fun! (in spite of my issues)
 
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yup, it is one thing to suck because you can't shoot, it is another to suck because of ammo, guns, etc...
 
The federal bulk pac is made at the lake city facility with crimped primers.
I've shot a ton of it without problems.
I'm suspecting a different problem.
 
I did try different ammo. After the match I ran to the store and picked up some Remington Heavy Dove 7.5s and shot a round of sporting clays (100 birds) with that shotgun without any problems. It was most definitely the ammo...or it could be that this shotgun doesn't like that ammo. My friends did mention that the Federal bulk pack is better quality than the Winchester, so I'm going to try that. Any other suggestions?
 
I did try different ammo. After the match I ran to the store and picked up some Remington Heavy Dove 7.5s and shot a round of sporting clays (100 birds) with that shotgun without any problems. It was most definitely the ammo...or it could be that this shotgun doesn't like that ammo. My friends did mention that the Federal bulk pack is better quality than the Winchester, so I'm going to try that. Any other suggestions?

No, your friends have offered a good alternative. I'd go with it.
 
The Winchester ammo does not run good in my shotgun, and a couple of other friends that I know, but the Federal works well the brass seems to be harder and the extractor doesn't seem to tear the end of the shell like the soft Winchester's.


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Winchester bulk is no good. I had the same problem every time I used it, pulled the brass off of the hulls. Federal bulk is good to go, no issues & I've used a ton of it.
 
All of you guys who have had problems with the winchester ammo, do you all use lightened bolts?
Reason I ask is, I've never had any issues using the winchester bulk pack with the factory weight bolt.

I wonder if the higher travel speed due to the light bolt is the culprit, or have I just been lucky so far?
 
Matt Rigsby said:
All of you guys who have had problems with the winchester ammo, do you all use lightened bolts?
Reason I ask is, I've never had any issues using the winchester bulk pack with the factory weight bolt.

I wonder if the higher travel speed due to the light bolt is the culprit, or have I just been lucky so far?
I think you've just been lucky so far.

My bolt is lightened, but the fact that the Winchester bulk is the only ammo it happens with leads me to believe its the ammo.

Winchester AA is awesome though, no problems whatsoever there.
 
Right, I'm not arguing that it's the ammo. I'm just saying that the fitment between the hull and rim on the winchester may be weaker and it only rears it's ugly head when pushing the normal cyclic rate of a shotgun.
 
They are both the same price at Wallyworld, and I haven't had any probs with Federal. The crimp on the Winchester, though. Hoo boy, it's like a normal crimps chromosomally challenged cousin.
 
the mods like to bump old posts so as to start conversation. you all are being manipulated into staying here
 
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