Defense Distributed CAD plans "claimed by the government" thoughts?

[Jon-Luc Ruben]

If you haven't heard, there is a site, defcad.org that provides cad files for various firearm parts that are 3D printable. I was able to download a lot of the files back in March, but upon revisiting the site tonight, I found this. I hope this topic has not been covered yet! Anyway, anyone have any thoughts? I thought it was okay to manufacture firearms for personal use (in reference to the AR lower, 2011 lower, liberator, and I believe a glock 34 plus a bunch of parts too long to list)? I understand the first part where they REQUESTED that they take it down. Requests don't have to be followed, but it also says that the government CLAIMS control over the information.

 

[dennishoddy]

I read they took it down, but it had over 100K downloads already, so I'm sure a little searching could turn it up again.
Big Brother was watching.

 

[poopgiggle]

Makes a hell of a case for Freenet.

 

[Airic]

Can someone explain to me how this isn't illegal or unconstitutional?

 

[kdf9511]

The files are up over on The Pirate Bay. I have been thinking about downloading them and burning off a copy just to toss in the gun closet.

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-takes-over-distribution-of-censored-3d-printable-gun-130510/

 

[threegungeezer]

The files are up over on The Pirate Bay. I have been thinking about downloading them and burning off a copy just to toss in the gun closet.

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-takes-over-distribution-of-censored-3d-printable-gun-130510/

I thought about it too but since I do not now and really do not think I will have access in the future to a 3D printer,I figured why bother. Can you say Zip gun?!? :triniti:

 

[Matt1911]

I thought about it too but since I do not now and really do not think I will have access in the future to a 3D printer,I figured why bother. Can you say Zip gun?!? :triniti:

Isn't that what people used to say about cell phones?
Once they become more popular, they'll get more affordable.

 

[Jon-Luc Ruben]

I was going to build a 3 gun or buy a stag this summer...but 2200 for a 3d printer...it is tempting to say the least...but I will wait so that the early bird consumers can test out the bugs/inventors can make a cheaper version using harder polymers like celazole (must be heated to 1400 degrees, lol)

AND....

Can someone explain to me how this isn't illegal or unconstitutional?

bumping this question^^

 

[dennishoddy]

Can someone explain to me how this isn't illegal or unconstitutional?

It's because big brother knows what's good for you.
We aren't smart enough to figure it out for ourselves.
"National security" trumps the Constitution in their way of thinking.

 

[poopgiggle]

Can someone explain to me how this isn't illegal or unconstitutional?

The thumbnail says it was removed "at the request" of the DoD whatever.

There are restrictions on exporting munitions, and I guess it can be argued that putting CAD files for 3D printing firearms online (where anyone in the world can download it) meets that definition. Cryptographic software was regulated this way for a time.

E: link to cryptographic restrictions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States

E2: I've heard (possibly apocryphal) stories of people putting written cryptographic algorithms in model rockets and shooting them over the Mexican border to get around those export laws. Maybe you could do that now with a thumb drive.

 

[StealthESW]

The thumbnail says it was removed "at the request" of the DoD whatever.

There are restrictions on exporting munitions, and I guess it can be argued that putting CAD files for 3D printing firearms online (where anyone in the world can download it) meets that definition. Cryptographic software was regulated this way for a time.

E: link to cryptographic restrictions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States

E2: I've heard (possibly apocryphal) stories of people putting written cryptographic algorithms in model rockets and shooting them over the Mexican border to get around those export laws. Maybe you could do that now with a thumb drive.

Data encryption programs cannot be exported to some countries as well, as I recall.

 

[poopgiggle]

Whatever the law on that is, it's effectively not enforced because you can download TrueCrypt from anywhere.

 

[StealthESW]

Whatever the law on that is, it's effectively not enforced because you can download TrueCrypt from anywhere.

I used to work for a harddrive manufacturer and I know that many of the middle east and asian countries could not legally obtain or use certain software and hardware encrypted products.