2011 Pricing

Jeffrey Hite

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I've seen 2011 pistols sell 2k up to $4500. What do custom gunsmiths do to make them that much better than stock? Why are the price differences between smiths so different, don't they use mostly the same internal parts?
 
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You'd have to shoot one to know.
it's not really the parts so much as it is the attention to detail in installing those parts.
 
Like Matt said hand fitting the guns is key to accuracy and reliability. Have you seen that video of Matt McLearn building a 2011? It's a lot of fitting and finishing. A gunsmith will use the best parts from Wilson, SV, custom made parts and parts from variety of manufacturers versus just having a stock STI. Triggers are way better, grips are stippled, custom cuts and appearance stuff and mags can be tuned.

With that said a bone stock STI is still a damn good pistol and stepping stone. If you bought a 9mm STI for 3 gun and wanted to go custom build later you can get most of your money out of it.
 
Matt Rigsby said:
You'd have to shoot one to know.
it's not really the parts so much as it is the attention to detail in installing those parts.
I love me some Matt, but yeah, a lot of it is the parts. a scuemann vs sti barrel is hugely different. Any STI part replaced by anything EGW/or ed brown is a big upgrade.
 
This is why I'm asking, a local smith that is highly respected in this are priced me a custom 2011 in 9mm for a little over 3k. I looked at a site on line and there's were 3500 to 4500. Just want to see why so price difference.
 
mike cyrwus said:
I love me some Matt, but yeah, a lot of it is the parts. a scuemann vs sti barrel is hugely different. Any STI part replaced by anything EGW/or ed brown is a big upgrade.
right. If going from stock parts to egw yeah there's a huge difference in price.
I took it as two smiths who are using the same parts, why are the prices so different from there?
 
thats a reasonable price. Now, make sure you consider mags too. A good tuned mag is a 100 bucks a pop. possibly some prices include magazines. Anything much over 4k for a and youre paying more because of demand, or overly costly uncommon parts, or an extreme amount of detail that doesnt translate to preformance or reliability. The high end custom defensive and retro 1911 smiths are famous for this and can charge 7k+ for a pistol.
Im always amazed at the lack of even the most basic detailing and smoothing out of the fit and finish of most competition guns. I dont go overboard imo, but I do look very critically at the aesthetics of my final product. That and my reasonable pricing, and the fact that i often dont take pistol orders, is a big reason Im slow, output-wise.
 
Matt Rigsby said:
right. If going from stock parts to egw yeah there's a huge difference in price.
I thought you meant it as sti parts vs. the parts I use.


"I took it as two smiths who are using the same parts, why are the prices so different from there?"

ability, the quality of the final output, reliability, and the performance of the thing when it goes bang bang bang really fast.

1911's can be ticking time bombs; competition guns are used exponentially more than most other guns. Lots of do it yourself hacks can cobble together a gun from videos, by going off another gun they have, etc, etc. and it very well can work for 1k rounds, 4k rounds, even 25k rounds. but the stresses that are put on gun parts in the first 500 rounds by a improperly timed 1911 barrel, can doom the gun, and never make it capable of getting a 2nd replacement barrel, or 3rd or 4th, every 125k rounds.

Blows some client's minds when I say "see you in a couple hundred k's" when they leave.

Now granted, I dont have a elephant dung ton of guns out there, but the guns that are out there, Ive had 0% come back w a cracked slide, or sheared lugs, because I wanted hurry things to keep up my 3 week turnaround time. I dont have enough fingers to count all the cracked slides and misfit barrels that Ive fixed and/or replaced for guys that have come from known smiths, local and national.

Now I know that day will come where I get one in, and thats why I have every major part in my gun marked and I have a build sheet with specs that would allow me to refit a barrel into your slide without having any part of your gun in front of me. Because I know that the chances that gun having been fingered with or bubba-ed, or having the guy do something stupid to it, like not replacing the recoil spring with a proper matching one, etc. Is going to be the reason its now toast.

Finally, Im not taking on any pistol orders right now, and I probably never will again, Ill only offer finished guns up for sale however often I build them. So I'm not doing a sales pitch here; the point of me typing this stuff is to inform you guys. I want you to be able to count on your guns, and take them for granted, with only a reasonable amount of maintenance. Cause Im only one of you guys, not some marketing behemoth that need to upgrade their yacht.

No I wont recommend anyone, or tell you who's a hack. Im not in a mood to get sued or be in a flame war.

I will say this last thing; if your main concern is how your gun looks and what stupid cuts are on the slide, then I cant help you, Ill tell you this; a guy running the elephant dung out of an old worn out glock or unassuming 2011; winning matches and championships (like vogel and Sevigny did) thats the sexy elephant dung, thats the cool stuff. If you spend your time taking photos of your new fancy 2011 then shooting it and training with it, then I cant help ya.
 
Mike's not blowing smoke either - the 1911 and 2011 he did for me are the two most reliable pistols I own. I think the 2011 is by round count the most reliable gun I have, period.
 
Jesse Tischauser said:
I have For sale two custom Accurate Iron 2011's in 9mm. Both are barely shot but photographed ALOT!
no kidding? I would like to see price pic of the hard chrome one ive seen before somewhere on here
 
mike cyrwus said:
thats a reasonable price. Now, make sure you consider mags too. A good tuned mag is a 100 bucks a pop. possibly some prices include magazines. Anything much over 4k for a and youre paying more because of demand, or overly costly uncommon parts, or an extreme amount of detail that doesnt translate to preformance or reliability. The high end custom defensive and retro 1911 smiths are famous for this and can charge 7k+ for a pistol.
Im always amazed at the lack of even the most basic detailing and smoothing out of the fit and finish of most competition guns. I dont go overboard imo, but I do look very critically at the aesthetics of my final product. That and my reasonable pricing, and the fact that i often dont take pistol orders, is a big reason Im slow, output-wise.
so if you have any 9mm 2011s made up put them on boomershooter so we can have first dibs
 
gondo said:
no kidding? I would like to see price pic of the hard chrome one ive seen before somewhere on here
I was kidding! Accurate Iron 2011's are like Unicorns bread with Arabian Horses and King Kong.
 
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