BEST CHOICE...TISAS or ROCK ISLAND 1911A1 MIL SPEC.

joepistol said:

As shown in the copy of the target above,, my shots were very low.
.I tried walking the shots higher , by altering my aim point, to limited benefit.
Can't say I've ever had a pistol shoot so far from my point of aim
I tried the other bullet weights , on differernt targets, no change
. As I shot more,my Bul target improved, the Tisas targets didn't.
All bullet weights tried shot very low. I was very disappointed to find this happen.
After a few failure to chamber rds, when I began shooting the Tisas, it quickly began feeding, firing, & ejecting cases as it should.
Just not hitting anywhere I was aiming. Though the rear sight is drift adjustable, my concern is with how low the rds are hitting from my aim point.
.not something I can quickly / easily correct.
First thought is I need to contact Tisas & see what they say..

Not very impressed with the Tisas so far, none of my (3) Rock Island 1911s have had this issue.
Nor any of the more than a dozen 1911's I've owned has ever had this issue.

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I had a similar problem with my Yukon 10 mm. I got to looking and the barrel bushing had a very loose fit. Ordered up one from Fusion firearms and it improved vastly. I too have a problem with it shooting low and I'm looking into an adjustable rear sight. This is my second yukon. The first was a disappointment as well. But I was lucky enough to sell It for about what I paid for it. Then they dropped the price enough to tempt me into buying a 2nd with the intent to make it a project gun.

392heminut said:

I own both, along with Colt, Springfield, STI and Para pistols and have been gunsmithing the 1911/2011 platform for40 years. I don't think you can go wrong with either the RIA or the Tisas, but if I had to choose I would go with the Tisas. The internals and the fit seem to be better than the RIA, but not by a whole lot.

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I love your screen name sir. Long live the Hemi, and I'm a Ford and GM guy!

Bob Lee said:

I love your screen name sir. Long live the Hemi, and I'm a Ford and GM guy!

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Thanks! I used to be a Chevy guy through the 60s and 70s and then I bought a 70 Cuda. I sold that one but several years later I got the itch and bought another one. I had a 1957 Chrysler 392 Hemi that I shoehorned into it, and later on I pulled it and put a late model 5.7 Hemi in it. I drag raced it some but those cars have gotten so expensive I just cruise it and take it to car shows now.

392heminut said:

Thanks! I used to be a Chevy guy through the 60s and 70s and then I bought a 70 Cuda. I sold that one but several years later I got the itch and bought another one. I had a 1957 Chrysler 392 Hemi that I shoehorned into it, and later on I pulled it and put a late model 5.7 Hemi in it. I drag raced it some but those cars have gotten so expensive I just cruise it and take it to car shows now.

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My friends dad had a junkyard, and he got a 57 Crysler with a 392 Hemi and real wire wheels on it! Before that it was a turquorise 57 Pontiac with a V8 in it. Good times!

BIGDAVE101 said:

.45ACP ONLY! Any other for a 1911a1 just not right, or normal, or natural....

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Had an RIA but got rid of it for failure to feed issues. Guess it was my bad luck to get a lemon.

I have a Kimber in 9mm and has been flawless. That being said, due to much I have read I would not buy another Kimber.

Kinda goes to show , as with my Tisas, buying any new gun, ...it's a crap shoot, a roll of the dice..Sometimes you get a winner,,sometimes not.

Reading about "hemi's".. I've really nothing against them, but wonder if hemi fans are aware that the"hemi" design (of combustion chamber )
is a very dated design ? My Shovelhead has hemi chambers, and it's 46 y/o , as I recall that design goes back to the 50's.. maybe older ?
Modern engines have found better ways to produce power, using a much different combustion chamber design.

joepistol said:

Reading about "hemi's".. I've really nothing against them, but wonder if hemi fans are aware that the"hemi" design (of combustion chamber )
is a very dated design ? My Shovelhead has hemi chambers, and it's 46 y/o , as I recall that design goes back to the 50's.. maybe older ?
Modern engines have found better ways to produce power, using a much different combustion chamber design.

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Preaching to the choir here bud, I have a 77 Electraglide and have known this for many years. It actually goes back to at least the 30's, the Knucklehead engines were also hemi heads. It's possible there may be even earlier examples. Nobody has ever claimed it to be a Mopar exclusive, they were just smart enough to latch onto the name and market it! As for better designs to produce power, I don't thing there's an internal combustion engine putting out more power than a top fuel engine which is still based on the 426 Hemi! I think what you meant to say is there are more 'efficient' design combustion chambers now.

dodger said:

I have a Kimber in 9mm and has been flawless. That being said, due to much I have read I would not buy another Kimber.

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So, you have a Kimber that has worked just fine for you but you say you wouldn't buy another one based on what you've read on the internet? In my world, hands on experience trumps anything posted by internet commandos!

joepistol said:

Kinda goes to show , as with my Tisas, buying any new gun, ...it's a crap shoot, a roll of the dice..Sometimes you get a winner,,sometimes not.

Reading about "hemi's".. I've really nothing against them, but wonder if hemi fans are aware that the"hemi" design (of combustion chamber )
is a very dated design ? My Shovelhead has hemi chambers, and it's 46 y/o , as I recall that design goes back to the 50's.. maybe older ?
Modern engines have found better ways to produce power, using a much different combustion chamber design.

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Hey Joe thank's I was not aware of that. I've pretty much been a Ford and GM person my whole life (however I now drive a 2011 Honda CrossTour) Nothing against Honda but if I could have found a GM product with the 3800 in it for a decent price in decent shape I'd be driving that instead. Bought it 2 years ago when you could NOT find a decent used car at a decent price. Re: Tisas I have two Tank Commanders, and I am very happy with them.

dodger said:

Had an RIA but got rid of it for failure to feed issues. Guess it was my bad luck to get a lemon.

I have a Kimber in 9mm and has been flawless. That being said, due to much I have read I would not buy another Kimber.

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I had rotten luck with 2 Very early ProCarries. Got mad at Kimber, and said I'd never own another one. Now 25 years later, I'd try another ProCarry if I could get one in 45 w/o the swartz safety. I'm thinking Kimber screwed themselvew using bad mim parts in their guns. I'm thinking got to big too fast maybe? Just my thoughts.

BIGDAVE101 said:

Which economy mil spec pistol is most servicable once broken in, for home or self defence? Not purchasing to add on or make custom, just use as is, maybe change grips only. BEST CHOICE: ROCK ISLAND OR TISAS? AND WHY?

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I have a TISAS 1911A1 SERVICE model, and it hasn't failed me from straight out of the box, no break in, shooting FMJ or HP ammo. I've shot different factory loads and my own reloads without any failures. They are made extremely well compared to some other higher priced 1911's I've looked at. That is it along with my Remington R1 in my profile picture. It came with black plastic grips and I changed them out to the US grips. I took it apart when I got it and I was amazed at how well the machining was done on it. It is very tight and doesn't have any rattle to it when you shake it. I have zero complaints and I would highly recommend the TISAS brand to anyone wanting a good reliable 1911 at a very reasonable price. My next 1911 purchase will be a TISAS TANK COMMANDER because I've never had a 1911 Commander model pistol. My shooting buddy has the TISAS 1911A1 US ARMY and a TISAS 1911A1 SERVICE SPECIAL model and hasn't had any failures with either of them from out of the box. I have never had my hands on a Rock Island Armory 1911 so I can't comment on them. I also haven't heard anyone badmouthing them either. My best advice to you would be to go to a gun store and look at both before you make a decision. I always like to handle a pistol to see how it feels in my hand before I buy one. Hope this helps.

392heminut said:

Thanks! I used to be a Chevy guy through the 60s and 70s and then I bought a 70 Cuda. I sold that one but several years later I got the itch and bought another one. I had a 1957 Chrysler 392 Hemi that I shoehorned into it, and later on I pulled it and put a late model 5.7 Hemi in it. I drag raced it some but those cars have gotten so expensive I just cruise it and take it to car shows now.

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As a Mopar guy you probably recognize the option code that is my user ID. And here is the car it's based on. Numbers matching. 440. You're right they have become very expensive.

392heminut said:

So, you have a Kimber that has worked just fine for you but you say you wouldn't buy another one based on what you've read on the internet? In my world, hands on experience trumps anything posted by internet commandos!

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Suffice to say I would not trust it as my CC. Lately it has been one of my Glocks, a G33 10MM.

dodger said:

I have a Kimber in 9mm and has been flawless. That being said, due to much I have read I would not buy another Kimber.

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I concur.
In December I bought a Kds9c. The machining on it was terrible. I contacted CS and received nothing but resistance and push back. The std response was " the gun is in spec".
I contacted the COO of Kimber and sent him pics. He responded within an hour and said that CS would contact me. After 2 months they finally would fix it by sending me a new top end.
Stuff happens, but when it does step up and make it right.