Major vs. Minor

Those points are huge, and the recoil is only minimally higher, and sometimes hardly noticable on the timer.


I agree. I can shoot major loads just as well (or poor) as minor. I have been shooting production exclusively for about a year. When I first shoot some major loads, it feels like a cannon going off. But after a few mags through, it isn't as noticeable.
 
Results from 2010 Single Stack Nationals, Check out the ratio of Major to Minor...

http://www.1911ssc.org/Results/2010_Data/Pistol%20Finals%20%20Single%20Stack.txt

That was a point that me and my friend discussed in that car ride. It looks like the majority of top shooters will take the points over capacity.
The top shooters don't make a habit of needing make up shots.
 
And that is huge. We have been making sure our local matches follow the 8 shot rule. It seems that we are getting more people shooting SS. Or maybe everybody is just tuning up for nationals.
 
BJ's 6th place, shooting minor, at SS Nats is impressive. There were only 6 or 7 minor shooters in the top 100.

It comes down to 3 things:
1. Points.
It's generally accepted that Minor will collect approx 15% less points. The idea that you might shoot more A's with the Minor recoil doesnt work out usually...except for Bubber. USPSA hit factor scoring is 'Points per second' So you have to make that up in time. C's will hurt you, D's will kill your score.

2. Speed.
The only speed difference that Minor over Major will make is in Split time. You should have faster splits with minor...but you probably wont. The difference in 'fast splits', vs. 'fast fast splits' and 'very very fast' splits is negligible. Split times will not return faster runs on the scorecard. Target to target transition time is much more important, and minor shouldnt affect that much if you've been practicing. Having said that, theres no reason to put up with more recoil than necessary.

3. Extra shots.
In Minor (for Single Stack division) you get to load 10+1 vs. 8+1. BJ's theory was that this is an advantage, esp on stages with steel. It simplifies stage breakdown. On a typical 8 round neutral stage the 3 extra shots available per position are huge. For instance, a plate rack with 6 plates along with a paper target is only 8 shots, but miss just one plate and you will now go to slide lock and have only 8 rounds for the next position. You are now virtually shooting in Virginia Cound mode if you're Major. But with minor, you have extra shots and can afford to rip on the steel (remember that the steel scores the same for both Major and Minor)
Of course you could blow it with make up shots.
I think this is where Minor can shine, and would be the reason that I would try it. Shoot everything as if you're shooting Production, but with sweet single action 1911...

In Limited Division there will rarely be a capacity advantage. I suppose if you have a 24 round stage, and your Limited Minor gun holds 24 rounds, you could shoot zero extra shots, skip the reload, and have a 1 or 2 second advantage...just dont drop too many points.
In Limited 10 there is just no good reason to shoot Minor. It offers no competitive advantage.


Notes and exceptions to the rule:
Several of the Minor shooters at SS Nats were ladies who usually shoot minor. For them, and for juniors maybe recoil management is more important.
1911's in Minor shoot really sweet and there could be less fatigue for the shooter in a long match.
BJ and maybe a couple of other guys shot .38 Super in Minor rather than the expected 9mm. This was probably due to the fact that .38 Super shoots really nice in Minor and is uber reliable in the 1911 platform. Super is also very accurate and of course, chicks dig it.

Rick; Yes, Shawn should switch to Minor, just because;-)

Maybe I'm overthinking this and I should just agree that "Minor sucks"
 
That's funny. The discussion actually started with us comparing production (me) to SS (him). Trying to compare the two divisions "heads up".

My argument was that the points far outweighed the 2 extra rounds. But then I had a few extra shots on the Texas stars and a couple on a plate rack. That shot my position all to hell.
 
Planning on needing more ammo to me sounds like planning for missing. I never plan to miss anything. I do plan to shoot the hi hit factor stages A's fast A's I can pull the trigger and that usually means I pick up a few C's and an occasional D along the way. So I need all the points I can get.

If every stage had a 12 or higher hit factor I might opt for a 9 with a few extra rounds cause them bullets are gonna be sprayin'.
 
Since I was mentioned earlier I feel it necessary to join in.

Minor sucks, that is all.




Seriously though, major PF is pretty anemic at 165 and can be shot with much the same cadence as minor ammo. At least in SS the benefit for minor PF ammo is somewhat tangible. In the other divisions it makes little to no sense to shoot minor when major is available. How much 9mm can you fit into a legal 140 mag, 23 maybe 24 rounds? That's not a lot considering you may save 1 or 2 reloads over the course of a big match (none if the match is all 25-30 round field courses).

I'd think you would need a helluva lot more steel and a lot higher major PF floor to close the gap between the two scoring schemes.
 
Minor sucks.

Ya I'd almost agree with that except for that Alphas are always worth 5 points and you can control the recoil of a 9 better especially in a heavier gun.. So points for charlies and deltas don't matter because you should be shooting all As
 
Ya I'd almost agree with that except for that Alphas are always worth 5 points and you can control the recoil of a 9 better especially in a heavier gun.. So points for charlies and deltas don't matter because you should be shooting all As


Nice in theory...
 
Ya I'd almost agree with that except for that Alphas are always worth 5 points and you can control the recoil of a 9 better especially in a heavier gun.. So points for charlies and deltas don't matter because you should be shooting all As

You will drop enough shots to make a difference, very good shooters will be closer since they can call shots so well.

Try it both ways and see for yourself.
 
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