The Homeless and the second ammendment.

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okshooter26

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First off I'm not specifically for making sure guns get into the hands of the homeless but I believe they are free to do as they see fit with their money or lack of. The reason I'm writing this is because I was considering earlier that to purchase a firearm you are required to give an address on a 4473 but obviously this presents a problem for the homeless as they do not have an address and precludes them from bearing arms since they cannot carry them without a concealled carry permit which they probably cant get without having an address either and cannot store them in a home that they do not have. Again I realize that the homeless probably have bigger concerns such as trying to get food or a roof over their head then buying a firearm. This is just a hypothetical question.
 
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They could just use their last official address, if those brain cells are still functioning.
 
As far as I know there isn't anything preventing someone who otherwise isn't barred from firearm ownership from needing a permanent address to possess one.
 
benjamin-benjamin said:
don't want to assume, so i am going to ask, what do you mean by if brain cells are functioning??
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Lots of homeless people are homeless because of substance abuse issues and/or mental health issues.

As to the topic, getting housing/food/healthcare for homeless veterans doesn't seem to be high up on anyone's agenda, let alone for all homeless people. I think that securing their Second Amendment rights hasn't even crossed anyone's mind.
 
I worked with a lot of homeless people in Tucson, AZ. A couple hundred a month. There is always the crazy or drug addicted ones that are at rock bottom, but many people would be surprised at how many just want to be homeless. They have no responsibilities and no bills. They actually prefer it that way.
 
Chase (iggie) said:
But it prevents them from purchasing new, or having a ccw.
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yes, I was just about to say the same thing except-it prevents them from purchasing from a dealer.
It limits them to private or "street" sales.

A 4473 has to be completed in full including address & all information must be current & truthful-
"last official address" isn't going to work.
 
Wall said:
yes, I was just about to say the same thing except-it prevents them from purchasing from a dealer.
It limits them to private or "street" sales.

A 4473 has to be completed in full including address & all information must be current & truthful.
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That's what I said just with more details.
 
Ive known a person who lived in a car for a few months between moving out of a significant others place and having enough cash to get a new apartment.

I personally wouldn't look down on them for having a pistol around while not having a secure place to sleep. I actually have a problem with basicallly requiring someone to maintain a long term residence in order to exercise a constitutional right. As to a dealer and a 4473 as long as the person produces an ID with an address you're not gonna know they are lying (calm down, I'm not advocating lying on a 4473).
 
right I understand you wouldn't advocate lying on an official document. I was just explaining where the rub exists.
I too agree that hardship should not exclude a person from their constitutional rights. If anytihng they probably need it more than most of us since they don't have a place they can even halfway secure themselves & their families.
 
Wall said:
right I understand you wouldn't advocate lying on an official document. I was just explaining where the rub exists.
I too agree that hardship should not exclude a person from their constitutional rights. If anytihng they probably need it more than most of us since they don't have a place they can even halfway secure themselves & their families.
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Get out of my head and stop posting stuff for me lol.
 
As long as the address they write on the form matches the address on the ID they hand over they are going to walk away with the firearm.
 
Jason said:
As long as the address they write on the form matches the address on the ID they hand over they are going to walk away with the firearm.
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And as long as the ID is still valid. Found out mine expired in February last weekend. The addresses matched, but I didn't walk away with a gun.
 
Brent Akin said:
And as long as the ID is still valid. Found out mine expired in February last weekend. The addresses matched, but I didn't walk away with a gun.
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True, and I wasn't posting my response above to state that I agreed with it, just the fact that if the homeless person had an ID, he walks with said purchase.
 
Jason said:
True, and I wasn't posting my response above to state that I agreed with it, just the fact that if the homeless person had an ID, he walks with said purchase.
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I wasn't disagreeing.... I was just still laughing at myself for not realizing my license was expired for so long.
 
twss said:
I worked with a lot of homeless people in Tucson, AZ. A couple hundred a month. There is always the crazy or drug addicted ones that are at rock bottom, but many people would be surprised at how many just want to be homeless. They have no responsibilities and no bills. They actually prefer it that way.
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I saw a show on that very subject. In a northern city, a news crew went with a church group that trying to pick up homeless folks on the coldest night of the winter, and very few of them accepted the offer of a warm meal, and a dry bed.
 
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