Chris_Andersen
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Pat I am hoping that maniac shotgun work of yours on stage 6 makes it into the coverage of this event. 
2012 3 Gun Nation Pro Series Event #1 March 31, 2012
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DyNo!
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Yup - impressive shooting and I STILL think that he "golden BB'ed" the make-up targets. :lol:
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I'll need to write an AAR for a blog pretty soon but in summary, the best thing the 3GN crew did in my eyes was invite spectators and let people know what we do. It gave me an opportunity to (hopefully) convince at least a dozen newbies to start 3-Gunning. I'm sure plenty of other pros also gave the public a good insight on what we do.
Right now, all we need is exposure and 3GN is handling the challenge with absolute professionalism.
If people can watch cars drive in circles and card games, they can sure as hell watch high speed 3-gun. It'll increase the participation and social acceptance of the sport which is good for everyone.
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The match was run smoothly - a concern I have though is the cumulative scoring used at this match.
With total time scoring, a single stage (or a malfunction) can cause a competitor that theoretically won every stage to lose the match.
Statistically, mean time (100% scale scoring) also provides a better indicator of a shooter's average performance as opposed to a single performance that involves a stroke of luck or misfortune.
I could almost guarantee that most of the competitors involved would rather be measured by the average sum of their performances rather than their exceptions.
As an outsider though, you can really see in the stage results how much the times differ stage by stage between all shooters on the roster from the top to the bottom.
It's a close race (it is and should be) but I'd prefer it to be close in different ways.
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I'll need to write an AAR for a blog pretty soon but in summary, the best thing the 3GN crew did in my eyes was invite spectators and let people know what we do. It gave me an opportunity to (hopefully) convince at least a dozen newbies to start 3-Gunning. I'm sure plenty of other pros also gave the public a good insight on what we do.
Right now, all we need is exposure and 3GN is handling the challenge with absolute professionalism.
If people can watch cars drive in circles and card games, they can sure as hell watch high speed 3-gun. It'll increase the participation and social acceptance of the sport which is good for everyone.
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The match was run smoothly - a concern I have though is the cumulative scoring used at this match.
With total time scoring, a single stage (or a malfunction) can cause a competitor that theoretically won every stage to lose the match.
Statistically, mean time (100% scale scoring) also provides a better indicator of a shooter's average performance as opposed to a single performance that involves a stroke of luck or misfortune.
I could almost guarantee that most of the competitors involved would rather be measured by the average sum of their performances rather than their exceptions.
As an outsider though, you can really see in the stage results how much the times differ stage by stage between all shooters on the roster from the top to the bottom.
It's a close race (it is and should be) but I'd prefer it to be close in different ways.
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
Well said Cameron! I can only assume the cumulative time scoring was used to ease the pain of that big board. It was a surprise to me too.
Dan Sierpina
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Is there someplace that has the final results? I looked on 3Gun Nation's website, and can't find a thing.
P.E. Kelley
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I liken the match format to Steel Challenge where time is everything,only with the Pro Series we do not have a "throw away" run!
Cameron...golden BB Before my reengagment? As after they were dust.
Cameron...golden BB Before my reengagment? As after they were dust.
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
Out of curiosity I normalized the scores. Little movement up top and plenty around the all important 10-13 range. There was a little movement elsewhere too.
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
Not that I'm aware of. Anybody remember the final top 10?
Lol...someone likes my program! I still need to update it per your feedback. I'll do it before the next okcgc 3 gun.
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
It is very handy for sure. Holler at me when you do the update do we can make sure we catch everything.
Bryan 45
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Jesse, you the man! Great match, cool format. The one day format can either work to a competitors' advantage- or kill him. Some days you're hot, some days you're not.
I think the one and only reason 3GN went with the overall time scoring is to make the JUMBOTRON work. We as spectators couldn't have immediately known movement if it were based on points.
I think the one and only reason 3GN went with the overall time scoring is to make the JUMBOTRON work. We as spectators couldn't have immediately known movement if it were based on points.
P.E. Kelley
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P.E. Kelley
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1JmztidN-U&feature=youtu.be
Stage #6 via Neal Emery of Hornady...thanks!
I can't tell if I "chipped" the last two or not.
RyanReed
Semi-Pro
That was some fine shooting, Pat!
DyNo!
Fanatic
Thanks for the normalized scores Jesse!
You raised my self esteem a bit!
You raised my self esteem a bit!
Spiff
Semi-Pro
Holy crap Pat! Is that why you're MG Kelley? lol
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
Thanks for the normalized scores Jesse!
You raised my self esteem a bit!
I didn't finish it all. I will try to do so now.
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
Ladies and Gentlemen Mr Bryan Ray. One of the best Heavy Irons Shooters in the game! Yeah the cumulative time scoring was really cool that you could walk up to any scoring table and see where you ranked instantly. Looking at the normalized scores that I just posted in the original post it didn't make more than one or two spots difference either way. Which may or may not have cost you $250-800 depending on your ranking.
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brandt9913
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Jesse. It is there game and their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't play. Quit being a whine bag or we are going to have to change your name to "Franzia"!
jtischauser
I'm addicted to kicking ass
WTF are you talking about? If you are referring to my calculating ths scores like every other 3 gun match in the country does to see what if then suck it! Everyone was pretty damn suprised when we looked at the finals and they were straight time not weighted.
When Mr. Kelley compared the scoring to Steel Challenge that doesn't even come close. Steel challnge is 8 stages of shooting 5 shots on each stage. All of the stage have the same shot count and you shoot all but one standing still. You also shoot each stage 5 freakin; times. That isn't even close to the dynamics of a major 3 gun match. You simlply can't copmpare a 25 round 25 second stage to a 100 round 50 seconds stage. A 5 second difference on a 25 seconds stage is a 25% difference in performance. A 5% difference in time on a 50 second stage is like a 10% difference or something. That 5 seconds counts the same on the overall. So the short stages mean very littel uin the big scheme of things. This match had 5 stages and all but one stage was in the 40-50 second range. The one that wasn't was a 25 scond stage. If all 5 stages would average 50 seconds it straight time scoring works perfect.
