I've been testing some Low recoil 00BK. 12 ga rds. for my 18" SD guns. Fed. Rem. Win., etc. Pump and a Mossburg 930 Thunder ranch semi- auto. The Fed and Rem were good recoil wise and acceptable tight pattern. But the one that really took first place with accuracy, tight pattern was the Winchester Elite Defender round. 00 Bk copper plated, 2 3/4" 9 pellet, @ 1145 fps. this is a great round. My favorite. BUT..............Also the MOST expensive. About $20 for a box of 10. But you won't be shooting clays with it. Meant for business. I like it and will have it on hand for the SHTF day or night. Maybe get a case if the Jackasses start giving out that FREE money again. Just some FYI for Patriot Buddys.